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• Nobody doubted it-the rumors have been around for a while now. - Jack G 08:25:57 04/11/08 (5)
  In Reply to: RE: cha-ching! posted by Joe Murphy Jr on April 10, 2008 at 22:08:23

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  • the facts tell a different story - Joe Murphy Jr 23:41:20 04/11/08 (4)
    In Reply to: RE: Nobody doubted it-the rumors have been around for a while now. posted by Jack G on April 11, 2008 at 08:25:57

    "Nobody doubted it"
    
    Oh, really? There were polls across many of the A/V forums similar to the one I've linked below. And here's a moderator on AVS Forum, after the news was posted (read that again, especially the word "after"), still expressing doubt:
    
    http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1017682
    
    Yes, indeed, there were many people who said it would never happen and just as many who said, if it would happen, it wouldn't be for a long time. Some even went as far as to say (and they were being serious) that a DTS-HD Master Audio upgrade would require PS3 owners to shell out some cash to Sony! Just shows you how ignorant some people are: Sony didn't write the Master Audio decoding software -- DTS did -- and since Sony already pays the DTS decoding licensing fee for the PS3, adding Master Audio doesn't cost Sony anything other than compiling the firmware update to include that software.
    
    
    
    

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    • Jack's just using it to champion his crystal-ball gazing skills and use his AVS-endorsed PS3 lingo - Jazz Inmate 22:41:18 04/12/08 (1)
      In Reply to: RE: the facts tell a different story posted by Joe Murphy Jr on April 11, 2008 at 23:41:20

      He did the same thing when Warner went BD-exclusive, claiming he saw it coming even though two months earlier he indicated he expected Warner might go HD DVD-exclusive.
      
      This is certainly great news for PS3 owners, and yet more evidence that Sony has a world-class BD player in the PS3. Sony's support for the PS3 has been phenomenal.
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      • No - Jack G 05:31:38 04/14/08 (0)
        In Reply to: RE: Jack's just using it to champion his crystal-ball gazing skills and use his AVS-endorsed PS3 lingo posted by Jazz Inmate on April 12, 2008 at 22:41:18

        What I said was I wasn't totally surprised, because we had discussed it in the past.
        Jack
        

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    • OK - Jack G 08:15:26 04/12/08 (1)
      In Reply to: RE: the facts tell a different story posted by Joe Murphy Jr on April 11, 2008 at 23:41:20

      Some didn't expect it. Nobody has ever accused of Piss3 owners of being overly bright.
      I expected it, and I don't even own one.
      Jack
      
      

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      • \\\Nobody has ever accused of Piss3 owners of being overly bright.///...... - three_sox 00:08:50 04/13/08 (0)
        In Reply to: RE: OK posted by Jack G on April 12, 2008 at 08:15:26

        ....I doubt PS3 owners will take notice of accusations they are not overly bright from a person with such eloquent prose.
        
        
        Hopefully you will appreciate the irony :o)
        
        
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• Question - 4season 05:59:15 04/11/08 (3)
  In Reply to: RE: cha-ching! posted by Joe Murphy Jr on April 10, 2008 at 22:08:23

  That's really nice, Joe.
  
  For those of us who haven't yet gotten a receiver/processor, do you have a feel for whether PS/3 actually outputs TrueHD / DTS HD MA via the HDMI connection, or whether it transcodes to PCM? I was under the impression that it could only do the latter? Among other things, I was toying with the idea of getting a Rotel receiver, but thought I'd have to wait for the next product refresh or two in order to get full-quality lossless audio from the PS/3.
  
  

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  • internal decoding - Joe Murphy Jr 23:57:06 04/11/08 (0)
    In Reply to: RE: Question posted by 4season on April 11, 2008 at 05:59:15

    For the PS3, the lossless audio codecs are decompressed (ie, decoded) internally and output as multichannel PCM via HDMI or 2-channel PCM via the optical output and the D/Aed analog output.
    
    There are a few people who still cling to the notion that the PS3 will be firmware updated to output the lossless audio codecs as bitstream (uncompressed, undecode), but that's not going to happen. The HDMI chip used in the PS3 is hardware, not software, limited in the sense that it cannot bitstream the advanced audio codecs. To do this would be like converting a gasoline car to a hybrid through a firmware update via the car's on-board computer system.
    
    
    
    

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  • You'll want to do the decoding within the PS3 and output it as 24-bit PCM - Jazz Inmate 13:24:12 04/11/08 (1)
    In Reply to: RE: Question posted by 4season on April 11, 2008 at 05:59:15

    Due to the existing chipset design, the PS3 cannot output DTS HD MA as bitstream. To simplify things, I have it set to do all decoding internally.
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    • To add to that… - David Aiken 16:18:49 04/11/08 (0)
      In Reply to: RE: You'll want to do the decoding within the PS3 and output it as 24-bit PCM posted by Jazz Inmate on April 11, 2008 at 13:24:12

      I've just got a PS3 and my Denon 2807 won't decode the new formats so I have to use PCM output anyway. I've tried comparing the results with the PS3 decoding standard Dolby/DTS tracks and sending PCM to the Denon, and bitstreaming to the Denon and letting it do everything. I can't hear a difference and I'm normally happy to leave the PS3 set to PCM. The only time I swap the setting to bitstream is with DTS ES discrete 6.1 channel soundtracks which the PS3 decodes to 5.1, dropping the rear channel and the only reason I worry about that is that I have a 6.1 channel system and the reason I added the extra channel was for those tracks.
      
      I can't compare results with bitstream vs PCM for the new formats but I doubt there'd be a difference with them either. In theory I think it shouldn't make a difference where the decoding takes place provided the device decodes to PCM accurately and that's a totally digital operation. I think the real differences in sound quality come with the DA conversion and how well that's done, and 4season isn't talking about changing the location of that activity.
      
      
      
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