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In Reply to: RE: Panasonic posted by sbrians on July 01, 2009 at 12:53:45
I should rush out and buy a good plasma, possibly Panasonic, before everyone stops making them. I've read consistently good reviews on Panasonic plasmas across their entry thru high-end line.
I have yet to see the Samsung LCD screens that use LED back lighting. These are supposed to be pretty good, and cost more, but I wonder how they stack up to a good plasma of comparable size and price.
So lets see, I buy one last plasma to last me say 5 years. By that time maybe LCDs have truly caught up and make the switch to LCD 5+ years from now. ?? Just thinking out loud. ;-)
A repeat of the "cartoonish" effect I didn't like previously. This time it was "The Rock" on Dish Network. Some have called it the "Soap opera" effect where the picture looks like one (or more) scene(s) superimposed on a background scene. Some might call this a "3D"ish effect but I found it irritating. Great display for video gaming but the LCDs have never given me the illusion of "reality" films sometimes do.
It's remotely possible the LED LCD is just providing a more "accurate" (?) rendering of how the film was put together revealing all the warts and limitations of film making technology, but I prefer the illusion at home of watching the movie on film at the movie theater; LCD has yet to do that for me.
There are adjustments for the motion, you dial in the one that gives the least motion effect with the least "video tape" effect. Samsung calls the adjustments "AMP" and there are dual adjustments, one called "judder reduction" and the other "blur reduction". Many enthusiasts think the best setting is 10 on blur and 0 on judder.
When properly adjusted these TVs show none of the effect I think you describe. Not to say they look as good as film in a theater.
There are two kinds of Samsung TVs using LED backlighting. The 950 series uses LEDs behind the screen that are locally dimmed; the LEDs are in zones that can be turned totally off thus giving a super deep and dense black.The other type uses edge mounted LEDs and so of course there's no local dimming and no super deep blacks. Indeed, many Samsung fans think the edge mount LED TVs are inferior to those Samsungs using conventional backlights. Many think the B-650s and B-750s, which use conventional backlights, are the best Samsungs other than the 950s.
I have an A-850 and a B-650 and I prefer them to any Panasonic plasma I've seen and I looked at quite a few. The good Samsungs have very accurate color, more accurate than many Panasonics are tested and rated as having, and the Panasonic plamas have a fine noise texture I dislike.
Edits: 07/02/09
I haven't seen any plasma look as good as the top LCD Samsung's..including the Pioneer!
I sure liked the blacks and shadow detail way better on the plasmas (Kuro and Panny). In fact, I loved the colors on the Kuro.
The Samsumg LCDs have come a long way. But I prefer plasma. Especially for film based material.
I read that the LED lit LCDs although look sharp, are harder on the eyes (viewing fatigue).
I don't know why Panasonic would stop making plasmas. Also I learned that one of the cons of plasma, the high power usage is no longer so true. My 50" is rated at nearly 800W which concerned me quite a bit, but I measured the current w/ a Monster power conditioner and figure that average may be closer to 200W. I think that it uses similar or less power than my old 53" Pioneer Elite rear projection set. I learned that a black screen uses 100W or less when on, and a full white screen uses close to 500W max, but one never constantly displays a white screen. So the power usage is quite proportional to the picture and much less than anti-plasma people would have you believe.
I've been contemplating the same thing, for the same reasons. Would like to get another plasma for the master bedroom before they stop making them. Problem is, the plasma that's already in there refuses to break. Damn Germans and their over-engineering ;-)
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Ah yes, I remember the name from high-end CRT TVs but never associated Loewe with flat screens.
Loewe, like every other manufacturer, switched to flat panels early in this decade. They don't make plasma TVs anymore - just LCD. You won't find one in a US store, because they pulled out of the US market back in late 2004.
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