Posit: Oppenheimer vs. Flower Moon

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Posted on December 7, 2023 at 10:55:31

Billy Wonka
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I kind of see a shoot-out at the Academy corral between Nolan and Scorcese. I am a bigger fan of Oppenheimer on every level but think an "American" film about Native Americans just might sway most Academy voters. Nothing else, at the moment, crosses my mind as being an Oscar thief.

Any ideas?

Bloated

tunenut

14:57:05 12/18/23

New competitor in town: 'Maestro' . . .

Billy Wonka

15:10:30 12/15/23

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'Maestro' is a snoozer... well and beyond Cooper's No$$$$e job...

musetap

23:23:40 12/22/23

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Bloated, posted on December 18, 2023 at 14:57:05
tunenut Audiophile Posts: 9172 Joined: July 18, 2000	Both were pretty good. Both were ridiculously overlong. Better effects and a more thoughtful subject in Oppenheimer. But both DeNiro and DiCaprio were at the top of their game in Flower Moon. My vote goes to Past Lives, a much smaller, more human scale movie. But my vote doesn't count.

New competitor in town: 'Maestro' . . . , posted on December 15, 2023 at 15:10:30
Billy Wonka Audiophile Posts: 3994 Joined: April 25, 2013 Contributor Since: October 15, 2013	Okay, Bradley, maybe, but Carey has got to get gold. This was an actors' film (and makeup, also). When you look at the producers and support you see a triple-A team. Netflix timed it just right for release. Who will win: 1) an eccentric genius, 2) wronged native Americans, or 3) a gay New York Jew and his long-suffering wife?

'Maestro' is a snoozer... well and beyond Cooper's No$$$$e job..., posted on December 22, 2023 at 23:23:40
musetap Audiophile Posts: 33215 Location: San Francisco Joined: July 8, 2003 Contributor Since: January 28, 2004	Hollywood will eat that shit up though, as it's known to do. A scant few decent enough scenes that will guarantee nominations for the stars, but not enough to justify anything else. The level of pretentiousness displayed is only equaled by the level of tedium involved. A very lackluster two hours. "Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination"-Michael McClure

Then my hunch was right ..., posted on January 3, 2024 at 15:02:45

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My daughter wanted us to watch it. I figured if the trailer was that boring the full film would be nap worthy.

We watched Flower Moon instead, which was mostly okay, given I have a hard time liking anything Dicaprio is in and tire of DeNiro easily.

Just once, I'd like to see Scorsese use all fresh faces.

Dean.

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Yup - it ranks high on the "Meh" scale for me (and Ms. CfL too) [nt], posted on December 23, 2023 at 10:45:15
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RE: Yup - it ranks high on the "Meh" scale for me (and Ms. CfL too) [nt], posted on December 24, 2023 at 11:52:01

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I would think there was much more to their relationship
(and to them) than that insipid movie portrayed.

Also felt we were watching Michael Imperioli (with REAL nose)
as Bernstein (with added snobby nasal congestion) through
about 30% of the movie. Not that that wouldn't have been
an improvement.

And, the music? Major Meh, even in minor keys.

"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination"-Michael McClure

I see it starts on Wednesday on Netflix - I'll probably watch it, posted on December 18, 2023 at 12:06:48

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I have some hesitation, because I have yet to see a movie dealing with a "classical music" subject which I thought was any good - and that includes "Amadeus", "Immortal Beloved", and, more recently, "Tar". I'll bet that Soviet biopic of Rimsky-Korsakov from 1953 is good (even though the only user review on IMDb gives it a 4 out of 10!) - but I haven't seen it, at least not yet. And who needs technicolor? - that film was shot in "Sovcolor"!

I agree that Amadeus SUCKED!....., posted on December 19, 2023 at 18:51:09
TWB Audiophile Posts: 7472 Location: Long Beach, California Joined: January 5, 2001	But I LOVED Immortal Beloved! However, that may be because I like Beethoven vs. Mozart (I find his music BORING!)... I have high hopes for Maestro, probably because I LOVED Bernstein though....

RE: I see it starts on Wednesday on Netflix - I'll probably watch it, posted on December 18, 2023 at 13:36:40
Billy Wonka Audiophile Posts: 3994 Joined: April 25, 2013 Contributor Since: October 15, 2013	It did rock my perception of Bernstein. I never delved into his private life and was surprised by what was portrayed.

RE: I see it starts on Wednesday on Netflix - I'll probably watch it, posted on December 18, 2023 at 12:25:03

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I'll probably watch Maestro as well, but it's hard to have a "willing suspension of disbelief" when the main character is someone I have seen and listened to since the Young People's Concert days. His voice and manner are very familiar. So Cooper doing an impression of Bernstein conducting the end of Mahler 2 in Ely Cathedral just takes my absorption right out of the movie while remembering the video of Bernstein **actually** conducting Mahler 2 at that location.

Movies about classical musicians usually try to jazz up what actually looks tedious (composing) or simulate by actors fake-playing instruments.

But having said that, a short film in which the tall Adam Driver is Rachmaninoff, "the seven-foot scowl," would be quite entertaining.

Yawn....., posted on December 13, 2023 at 17:56:07
TWB Audiophile Posts: 7472 Location: Long Beach, California Joined: January 5, 2001	ANOTHER Scorcese, DeNiro, DiCraprio collaboration..... His films have degenerated into formulaic and boring as far as I am concerned. Nolan continues to be fresh and different. Hopefully, Oppenheimer will prevail!

+1 NT, posted on January 26, 2024 at 11:07:42
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RE: Posit: Oppenheimer vs. Flower Moon, posted on December 9, 2023 at 09:16:34
Mike B. Audiophile Posts: 26906 Location: OR Joined: September 27, 1999 Contributor Since: September 1, 1999	I agree. Murphy is a likely winner of the best actor.

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