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Which TV brand to avoid digital picture correction ?

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Posted on February 15, 2021 at 10:27:36

Wojciech
Audiophile

Posts: 4129
Joined: June 23, 2009

LG is the worst offender. Samsung is the second one albeit much better than LG. I don't own a TV yet (actually never owned any) but I may break down and buy one. The thing is all my friends own either LG or Samsung and the picture quality they are getting is revoltingly bad. Old movies look like crap and the new ones like a computer games. Interestingly enough when I mention to my friends that the picture quality of their big screen TVs is abysmal they don't understand what I'm talking about. I tried to get rid of that digital shit on LG (don't touch it !! they were yelling ) and could not. Samsung was slightly better in that regards. Should I buy something no name cheap ?

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RE: Which TV brand to avoid digital picture correction ?

pictureguy

13:54:03 02/21/21

Don't get a 4k TV

budget fi

13:42:00 02/21/21

RE: In My Experience This Is Bogus Advice

thegage

20:31:12 02/21/21

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RE: Which TV brand to avoid digital picture correction ?

pictureguy

13:54:03 02/21/21

Don't get a 4k TV

budget fi

13:42:00 02/21/21

RE: In My Experience This Is Bogus Advice

thegage

20:31:12 02/21/21

budget fi

16:47:57 02/22/21

What do they use, Cable, Sattelite?

oldmkvi

09:08:41 02/20/21

RE: What do they use, Cable, Sattelite?

Wojciech

11:12:57 02/20/21

Your friends don't know how to navigate and use the Menu.

oldmkvi

09:06:50 02/20/21

RE: "I don't own a TV yet..."

thegage

20:39:45 02/19/21

Three TV brands here currently

grantv

22:44:34 02/19/21

I'm running Plasma TV but turn off motion smoothing on LED

Jon L

17:01:26 02/15/21

RE: Which TV brand to avoid digital picture correction ?

rivervalley817

10:51:11 02/15/21

RE: Which TV brand to avoid digital picture correction ?

Wojciech

13:02:42 02/15/21

Be aware there are some plain jane sets that are cheap and bad

Road Warrior

21:07:58 02/19/21

RE: Be aware there are some plain jane sets that are cheap and bad

rivervalley817

21:52:29 02/19/21

My bro n law had a similar experience with his Toshiba

Road Warrior

14:57:28 02/21/21

RE: Which TV brand to avoid digital picture correction ?

rivervalley817

13:39:58 02/15/21

RE: Which TV brand to avoid digital picture correction ?

Wojciech

14:06:57 02/15/21

RE: Which TV brand to avoid digital picture correction ?

rivervalley817

15:46:43 02/15/21

RE: Which TV brand to avoid digital picture correction ? , posted on February 15, 2021 at 10:51:11

rivervalley817

your observations on picture quality totally aligns with your instinct to change settings ... that is exactly where the problem is and ALL flat panel TV's can look that way ... the majority of folks get used to or prefer the super high contrast / technicolor vivid settings so anything less looks like a 'washed out' display to them

whereas, you apparently prefer a more natural presentation as do I

I think you'd be satisfied with either brand or even others if you were in the drivers seat as far as settings go ... if you're comfortable and careful going to a Best Buy etc., change the settings on the display models and see for yourself ... you'll be OK with any 'major' brand

with regards,

RE: Which TV brand to avoid digital picture correction ? , posted on February 15, 2021 at 13:02:42

Wojciech
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Posts: 4129
Joined: June 23, 2009

Well , I think the problem lies beyond the usual settings. It's impossible in LG TV sets to get rid of their proprietary digital picture enhancement even if you switch it off in the settings. I'm aware that people get used to that presentation and it doesn't bother them but to me its a torture. All the movies look like the first plane was made in HD in the studio on video cameras and the background was added later digitally. Even the ones which were made on a film rolls look that way. Everything has a quality of telenovelas. On my GF's Samsung flat screen I turned off all that digital junk but it's still half-ass. Not to mention that that TV lasted only 2 years after which the main board expired. I think I will have to look for some third rate manufacturer who just offers plain Jane set.

RE: Which TV brand to avoid digital picture correction ? , posted on February 15, 2021 at 13:39:58

rivervalley817

huh ... well my LG's really don't perform that way, but further, what you might be seeing [because I notice this] is that 'modern' production standards in the medium are conveyed as part of the higher definition used

I was running a couple of older CRT TV's not too long ago and this was even noticeable on those ... and remember, films generally get some re-formatting when shown on TV so I think those standards go along for the ride so to speak

I'm thinking that your hope of 'plain Jain' is only just a hope though

but good luck!

regards,

RE: Which TV brand to avoid digital picture correction ? , posted on February 15, 2021 at 14:06:57
Wojciech Audiophile Posts: 4129 Joined: June 23, 2009	You're right that I'm probably aiming at the impossible and doing it only because I never had a TV to get used to ever changing standard. The quality I see discourages me from getting one. :) All the best! PS. Watching movies on computer screens of various laptops is less objectionable for some reasons.

RE: Which TV brand to avoid digital picture correction ? , posted on February 15, 2021 at 15:46:43

rivervalley817

re: PS ... more processing power with higher pixel count?

not that this matters about what's available now but my first 'big' panel TV was an Olevia powered by ... get this ... ATi Radeon Graphics

I'm not sure what card was in there but I guarantee my homebrew desktop rig is way more potent ... the one on a shelf in the garage from 10 years ago

just off the cuff I'd go cheap on the TV, a TLC will probably meet your needs, after all there's just [three?] display panel manufacturers ... electronically it's the only 'moving part'

regards,

I'm running Plasma TV but turn off motion smoothing on LED, posted on February 15, 2021 at 17:01:26
Jon L Audiophile Posts: 6064 Joined: April 6, 2000	I can tolerate the recent TV's well enough as long as the the motion smoothing is turned off, getting rid of the soap opera effect. LG TruMotion, Samsung Auto Motion Plus, Sony MotionFlow etc.

RE: "I don't own a TV yet...", posted on February 19, 2021 at 20:39:45
thegage Audiophile Posts: 1157 Location: Western Mass. Joined: April 29, 2000	And so you are basing your opinion on what your friends have without really knowing how their sets are adjusted, or just playing around with adjustments? Either brand you mention, if time is taken with a set you own to adjust correctly, will give an excellent picture, without all of the correction nasties you fear. JohnK

Be aware there are some plain jane sets that are cheap and bad, posted on February 19, 2021 at 21:07:58
Road Warrior Audiophile Posts: 21654 Location: Dallas Joined: August 31, 2004	Element, Polaroid, Insignia, Westinghouse, Phillips, Hitachi, RCA. There could be a acceptable model amongst those brands but I've seen a couple and the HD picture was abysmal. ---------------------- "E Burres Stigano?"

RE: Be aware there are some plain jane sets that are cheap and bad, posted on February 19, 2021 at 21:52:29

rivervalley817

I had a big Westinghouse that looked great; for awhile ... it developed 'display' fuzz or shadows where the screen looks dirty when it's not

but it was! because it's between the panel layers! it's a garage TV now

a friend got the exact model & no problems

I'm sticking with LG, Samsung, Sony ... might try a TCL [used to be Sharp] they seem pretty good / reviewed well last I looked

regards,

Three TV brands here currently , posted on February 19, 2021 at 22:44:34
grantv Manufacturer Posts: 7727 Location: B.C. Joined: January 15, 2002	Our living room TV is a 75" LG, bedroom a 50" Samsung plasma. Honestly, a bit of playing with settings the day I brought them home and I'm good. Before the LG we had a Haeir, which I'll admit was hard to get looking good (and IMO never looked as good as the others). The other 2 are 39" RCA's, which were very hard to look decent.

Your friends don't know how to navigate and use the Menu. , posted on February 20, 2021 at 09:06:50
oldmkvi Audiophile Posts: 10583 Joined: April 12, 2002	I have an LG 55 in OLED, way better than Panny Plasma. And it does 4K Streaming of Netflix and Amazon Prime, including Dolby Atmos Sound on built in speakers. Amazing Depth with 4K! Very happy, and never had it "Calibrated", like the Panny. Waste of $ for that. Some break in is required to get best Pic, along with using the Menu Settings.

What do they use, Cable, Sattelite?, posted on February 20, 2021 at 09:08:41
oldmkvi Audiophile Posts: 10583 Joined: April 12, 2002	Are they signed-up for Hi-Res Content, 1080P or the like?

RE: What do they use, Cable, Sattelite?, posted on February 20, 2021 at 11:12:57

Wojciech
Audiophile

Posts: 4129
Joined: June 23, 2009

They use cable and internet. I don't have a problem with them preferring an appealing & bright demo mode which is usually used to sell the TV sets in the store but they also use that digital enhancement like mentioned true motion so all the movies look like soap operas. I tried to get rid of the smoothing effect on the older LG TV set and could not. On the never LG TV set there was the option but it didn't get rid of the effect to a satisfying degree. Since I was not in the market to buy TV at that time and TV's are not my area of interest I assumed that the advanced TV's are "useless junk" for my purpose hence the question. Also , it's not really polite to change the setting of someone TV set when they like it AS IS and they just bought "the newest model".
In the end I bought "no name" LED on Ebay. Whole 21" of it and it is OK once I got the settings at 40% of the value :). It is used for Air antenna and with DVD.
My friendly dealer still has its first 42" $10k low res plasma in the store. He said it was professionally calibrated. I like the picture quality of that set quite a bit.
Thanks to all that replied and all the best.

Don't get a 4k TV, posted on February 21, 2021 at 13:42:00
budget fi Audiophile Posts: 712 Location: seattle Joined: August 8, 2004	Most 4k tvs upconvert which may look unnatural to you. Maybe pick up an older 1080p or even 720p plasma. They're all over Craigslist for cheap.

RE: Which TV brand to avoid digital picture correction ? , posted on February 21, 2021 at 13:54:03
pictureguy Audiophile Posts: 22597 Location: SoCal Joined: October 19, 2008	Isn't part of the problem the COMPRESSED signal sent down the pipe? this allows programers to maximize the number of channels so they can offer 200 channel packages even though most persons don't watch more than maybe 20...... I personally could do without ALL the PPV and SHOPPING No AlaCarte service is available. It's all or nothing. Too much is never enough

My bro n law had a similar experience with his Toshiba, posted on February 21, 2021 at 14:57:28
Road Warrior Audiophile Posts: 21654 Location: Dallas Joined: August 31, 2004	Great picture initially then ghosting and a "frame" about 2" in from the physical frame, surround the picture. It's at his camp now ---------------------- "E Burres Stigano?"

RE: In My Experience This Is Bogus Advice, posted on February 21, 2021 at 20:31:12
thegage Audiophile Posts: 1157 Location: Western Mass. Joined: April 29, 2000	Most 4K displays only upconvert on some formats, and it can be disabled. I went from one of the last, best Panasonic 1080p plasmas to an LG 4K OLED, and the improvement with all sources is clearly noticeable, even with DirecTV. JohnK

Bogus? LOL , posted on February 22, 2021 at 16:47:57
budget fi Audiophile Posts: 712 Location: seattle Joined: August 8, 2004	Maybe to you and me but the poster clearly doesn't like the ultra detail and even mentioned a fondness for a pre HD flatscreen.

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