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Re: hard not to comment art/film without considering sociaty in general......

***I am a little surprised by your statement. Michael Moore's film may be bad or good due to the way he handles his political statement. But just because he has a political message in there you believe it is a failure? Without even seeing it?

I guess you found something I never wrote - please show me where I said it was a failure. My problem with him is his politics and his apparent willingness to bend the truth to make his point - based on what I know about him. Based on that I shall not waste my time on this bomb thrower - I can throw bombs just as well, perhaps even further.

To answer your BIG question, I think Patrick already touched on the answer. There are different political flavors. Potemkin is not really a political work - it is a strongly humanist one rather than the promotion of any particular ideology, and that makes it stand on its own feet.

I guess my main objection is with making a political statement de jour in such an overt and in-your-face way that it dominates everything - things like Philadelphia. From what I read about Moore's film it is such work, therefore, knowing his political views it becomes simply a waste of time. I doubt you will find many parallels between, say, BFC and Potemkin, and I suspect fifty years down the road people will still watch the Eisenstein's work, but hardly anyone will recall the mundane Moore's works.

Ditto for Alexander Nevsky. That film is about fight for freedom - the notion so universal that it transcendes the political spectra. You can easily consider it just this way, without even realizing its political message.

Things like Triumph of the Will are harder nuts to crack, but even there I see the difference. Leni's work is that of an artist describing the wave of emotions taking place at that time - so she is more a documentary writer than a promoter of a particular idea. She is taken with the movement, she is obviously sympathetic to it, but she is still more of a landscape painter. She was equally enthusiastic and at home filming the mountains... I doubt it Moore's next film will be about the natural beauty of Nebraska.



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