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In Reply to: RE: " His Films are manipulative..." Well you did make some progress indeed! posted by patrickU on July 16, 2007 at 04:54:45:
As usual Anti-Moore diatribes focus on minutia rather than the big picture. Whether the number is $5000.00 or $6000.00 is not really the point since both are so vastly higher than $251 which both agree on.
CNN and Republican monkeys keep talking about "but those countries pay taxes for medical" And we don't want Socialist programs because socialism is communism. Which it's not but that's another brain washed mantra of the right.
Americans pay taxes for things like libraries roads, fire departments, police, road construction etc. All of these are socialist programs. Without socialism there would be NO society at all. In fact it was a Socialist program that got the United States out of the great depression and a capitalistic one that put them there in the first place.
Moore's response to CNN
"THAT'S the only thing we should be talking about. How profit and greed are killing our fellow Americans. How profit and private insurance have to be removed from our health care system. CNN should join me in asking why our 9/11 rescue workers aren't receiving medical care. Somebody should send a crew to Canada to find out why they live longer than we do, and why no Canadian has ever gone bankrupt because of medical bills. And all of the media should start saying how much it costs to go to a doctor in these other top industrialized countries: Nothing. Zip. It's FREE. Don't patronize Americans by saying, "Well, it's not free -- they pay for it with taxes!" Yes, we know that. Just like we know that we drive down a city street for FREE -- even though we paid for that street with our taxes. The street is FREE, the book at the library is FREE, if your house catches on fire, the fire department will come and put it out for FREE, and if someone snatches your purse, the police officer will chase down the culprit and bring your purse back to you -- AND HE WON'T CHARGE YOU A DIME FROM THAT PURSE!
These are all free services, collectively socialized and paid for with our tax dollars. To argue that health care -- a life and death issue for many -- should not be considered in the same league is ludicrous and archaic. And trust me, once you add up what you pay for out-of-pocket in premiums, deductibles, co-pays, overpriced medicines, and treatments that aren't covered (not to mention all the other things we pay for like college education, day care and other services that many countries provide for at little or no cost), we, as Americans, are paying far more than the Canadians or Brits or French are paying in taxes. We just don't call these things taxes, but that's exactly what they are." http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2007-07-17
The bottom line is simple. If you have a heart attack in Canada you won;t go bankrupt. In the US you are looking at $100,000 bill. For rich people $100,000 is like $3.00 to me but to most people $100,000 is bankruptcy. I can tell you this -- the amount of EXTRA taxes you pay(over what you pay in the United States) in any Socialized country over your entire lifetime would not come close to $100,000.00.
Americans still pay relatively high income tax and state taxes and property taxes -- the difference is the money is not going to keeping you alive. So if you're rich you like it the way it is -- after all you got yours screw everyone else.
Interestingly the right wing goes after Moore for his money and nice home but unlike MOST of the rich elitists he was not born with a silver spoon up his ass and puts himself on the firing line. That is what a TRUE patriot does -- not the folks who wrap themselves in the flag and blow the "you're with us or against us" routine. These are the same people who would rat out their neighbors in Nazi Germany.
Indeed, The right wing Republican establishment learned a LOT from history -- they learned a lot from Joseph Goebbels.
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Follow Ups
- Gupta and CNN lost the plot... - RGA 21:20:10 07/20/07 (1)
- RE: Gupta and CNN lost the plot... - patrickU 09:24:58 07/21/07 (0)
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