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Lets try this one more time, and please read slowly to allow everything to sink in, OK?

Posted by Audiophilander (A) on December 30, 2009 at 23:46:04

In Reply to: RE: "...you bought several HD DVD players..." - I got mine for next to nothing with free disc offers & discounts; also, posted by Jazz Inmate on December 30, 2009 at 10:00:51:

>>> "So what? they're obsolete and no new content is available to play on them." <<<

They are still great players and I have a lot of inexpensive HD-DVD discs that either aren't available yet on BD or would use the same transfer and therefor be redundant. Also these are still great DVD upscaling players. AFAIC, they were a good investment. Of course, everyone's mileage varies except your's, but then again, you're on a treadmill in a cage of your own making.

>>> "More relevantly, you advocated up and down this forum for the adoption of HD DVD even after the format was lying dead on a slab." <<<

Have you ever analyzed Freud's theories and correlated them to your wooden nose?

My "advocacy" was primarily limited to a criticism of the BD cartel, excuse me, consortium, for imposing zone access limitations and also holding Oppo hostage by disallowing their standard all region access for DVDs as a condition for licensing their new BD players (making a "one box" solution all but impossible). I also favored HD-DVD as a less expensive format for both hardware and discs that would be more likely to entice a wide audience to high definition programming. In light of last years global economic upheaval my original perspective may have had greater merit than you'll ever publicly admit.

>>> "I currently own one Blu-ray player--the PS3, the same one I've owned for almost three years now. I did just decide to get an Oppo SE and mod it to optimize two-channel performance for CD/SACD and use it as my primary disc machine. The PS3 would be mostly retired at that point." <<<

I already have BD players for main system and guest room. Both are Oppo BDP-83 players, my primary system has the SE. Both are modified for multi-region multi-zone play and work marvelously well. BTW, if you have a modicum of DIY skill even you'll be able modify a BDP-83 SE for multi-region/zone play for under $100.

Oh, and BTW, I'd hold onto that PS3 so you can gear up for 3D when the urge to upgrade finally hits you! ;O)

>>> "you did until you were forced by the death of HD DVD to adopt Blu-ray or be left out of the HD experience moving forward." <<<

I didn't get serious about BD until word came down that modifications would be forthcoming that would allow Zone and Region free access. I started out with a relatively inexpensive Panasonic player that I recently gave to my brother (now replaced by Oppo players).

>>> "Just because you wrongly suspected me of being a Sony employee or something like that doesn't mean anyone else is as stupid." <<<

Actually, I never seriously thought you were an employee (toady, maybe, but never on the payroll). I'm sure that SONY has better personnel screening than that. ;O)

>>> "Most A/V enthusiasms quickly recognized the advantages of Blu-ray and I was one of them." <<<

Many movie fans/collectors recognized the disadvantages too. AFAIK, you have yet to convince anyone here of how the cartel's intent to limit zone access in any way advantages consumers. Food for thought.

>>> "No, I pointed out how bad the writing and acting were. --- But there are more serious problems with the film." <<<

Yeah, over 600 million of 'em world-wide to date! I'm sure that James Cameron will be just as concerned as I am with how wrong you think folks are who differ with your POV! ;^D

>>> "Yes, because he can't write yet insists on heavily rewriting most screenplays that come his way. He also sucks as a director for all but the action sequences, but so does another of your favorite directors, Peter jackson." <<<

Just think, if you had 1/100th of 1% of either of those talented gentleman's bank accounts you could easily afford a second BD player and have it properly zone & region modified to boot! ;^>

>>> "No, it had to do much with audio capabilities and whether there was enough room on the lower-capacity HD DVD discs for high resolution audio Codecs." <<<

That may have been your argument (and a rather lame one, IMO based on the similar transfer quality of discs coming out at the time), but my position was consistent and the only limited capacity issue that ever kept resurfacing from my perspective was your's.

>>> "Being that this is primarily an audio board, I was floored that you and some others declared that you simply didn't care about better audio or high bitrate capacity. My main motivation for backing Blu-ray was its increased capacity--the only specification that mattered if you're interested in quality." <<<

Capacity was never an issue because both formats would eventually be capable of multi-layer expansion that increased bitrate storage. The intent of the BD cartel, excuse me, consortium was always a more relevant issue for film fans/collectors. So, if you were floored by the logic of critics, you should've learned how to roll with the punches. Like I said, that issue has been resolved, not necessarily to your liking or that of the BD gestapo, but those of us who like the option of collecting foreign films on DVD & BD are happy.

>>> "of course it's to my liking--your inferior format died and my superior format won." <<<

Ummm, ...well, at least I'm glad that you're in bliss about it. ;0>

>>> "You should be embarrassed for being wrong and for being such a prick about it, not just for the duration of the format war but up until this very day." <<<

I guess that I could be embarrassed for you, but so far you haven't demonstrated to me that you deserve it.

FYI, everyone is wrong now and then, some more than others, but cluelessness is another matter altogether. When proven wrong I've stated as such and even apologized on occasion. The problem here is that you seem incapable of finding any fault with your own opinions even when it's painfully apparent to just about everyone that is more than one side to an issue. In those situations your POV is either biased or poorly informed. It is certainly your right to differ; I couldn't care less whether you choose to be a prick or even have one.

>>> "That depends what your definition of "take off" is. A couple studios will dabble in it, but nothing more." <<<

Nearly 2/3 of American multi-plex cinemas are now equipped with one or more 3D (DLP) screens; that's a pretty big "dabble" dude.

Care to make an unofficial wager? Don't worry, I won't hold you to it (I seem to recall a wager in last years Presidential election that went unresolved)! :O)

Cheers,
AuPh

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