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Okay, another "list"...Who is your pick for the mainstream actor (let's say they must have been nominated for/or won an Oscar) who has made the most really bad films in their career?
My own choice is Sly Stallone...his movies are going straight to video these days, and his film choices are incredibly bad. Outside of Rocky and Rambo (and Rambo films were popular, but not great cinema, imo), only Cliffhanger is decent (again, imo).
SS is currently starring in a film (Shade) that's been in the can for quite some time...it just got limited release last Friday...is it playing in your town? Anybody seen it? I'm only interested becasue it also features Gabriel Byrne...probably for his usual five minutes of film time.
I can think of two other outstanding candidates for this "King of the Turkeys" honor, but I'll leave some breathing room for others.
Nominations?
Thanks,
Gary
Follow Ups:
I thought Sly was pretty good in Nighthawks.
Tom,Totally agree...not a bad film (I think Rutger stole the show fom Sly)...Billy D. Williams, who co-starred might be eligble for a Turkey award as well, but I can't remember if he's ever had an Oscar nom.
Thanks,
Gary
NT
i appreciate you givng me the "turkey win"...Brando never did ANYTHING that you thought was good?
Godfather? On/Waterfront? Streetcar Named Desire?
Maybe One-Eyed Jacks?I would agree the guy is one of the strangest people on the planet...but I gotta give kudos to to MOST of his work...he has, however, made a few baaaad films...but I can't really say he's ever really sucked as bad as Burt, or Sly.
Any particular reason you dislike him so much?
To each, their own!
Regards,
Gary
The first three you mention were among Premiere Magazine's recent "Top 100 Film Characters of All Time". Only Brando, Bogart, and Nicholson scored three times. Brando's Vito Corleone was in first pace as THE most memorable.I too love "One Eyed Jacks" and consider it the best western ever made.
Brando and Nicholson together in "The Missouri Breaks" is a favorite of mine. Directed by Arthur Penn and further enhanced by the likes of Harry Dean Stanton, Warren Oates and Fredrick Forrest.Altogether a delicious, spaced-out Western, circa mid-80's.
"One Eyed Jacks" is the best western ever made, "The Missouri Breaks" is the worst. I don't recall ever being as disapointed, given the collective talent of the film makers and the actors.
Rico,Just curious...if OE Jacks is best western ever made, what is your nex 4 coice for top 5?
I'm not knocking your choice, just curious.
My own (at least today):
1. Lonesome Dove
2. Wild Bunch
3. One-Eyed Jacks
4. (tie) Tombstone/Wyatt Earp (slight edge to the later)
5. Open Range (temporarily holding down the spot...replacing Unforgiven).
...and I've got a whole passel full of honorable mentions, pardner.
Marshall Gary
The Searchers
Unforgiven
True Grit
Stagecoach
Rico,Since you mentioned True Grit, I may have to amend one of my five to include The Shootist, Wyane's last picture.
Both films are somewhat guilty pleasures for me...the "acting" of Glenn Cambell and Kim Darby in the former, and Ron Howard (fine director, lousy actor, imo) in the later somewhat taint these films for me...but I still love 'em!
I'm sure you know the character actor Strother Martin, who has a small role as the horse trader in Grit...this guy is MY ABSOLUTE FAVORITE! He appeared in most of Wayne's westerns, and several Paul Newman films, among others, portraying...well, as he is quoted..."I made a good living for years playing prarie scum."
Of course, he is best known for the line form Cool hand Luke...regarding a "failure to communicate."
Strother really had a way with a line reading!
regards,
Gary
The honorary mention would have to go to Jack Nickelson for movies like "anger management"!
Cetaele (aka Bob)
Bob,
Agreed, Anger Management was a strange choice for Nicholson...maybe he just wanted to work with that fine thespian Adam Sandler. One of the very few movies I quit on before the end.
I gotta say, imo, Jack has a pretty strong body of work...I just watched Something's Gotta Give...total lightweight chick flick, though not horrid, the saving grace being the charming performance by Jack...the guy's in his late 60's, overweight, balding (for 30 years)...and he still has something about him ...that's indefinable. IMO, Diane Keaton got the Oscar nom. for her role in the film, and Jack blow her off the screen.
Even playing against type in About Schmidt...a depressing movie if there ever was one...he just comes across with the goods (imo). We won't have Jack on the screen forever...I, for one, will miss him when he stops making movies.
... the movie-going public can pretty much ignore 'The Pledge', and 'About Schmidt', and flock to 'Anger Management', is just a sad sign o' the times... having to see Nicholson and DeNiro play in comedic roles in bankable films rather than parts that display their talent... I just hate it, what's next?... Pacino in a Farrelly Bros flick?
Agree fully about Jack, and I like him and Adam Sandler, but I actually turned off Anger Management part way through, something I seldom do.
Cetaele (aka Bob)
Although I am a huge Jack fan, I thought in "Something's..." he jsut pplayed himself and the real acrting was Diane Keaton's. Keanu was as always truly horrible.
Rico,I didn't say DK didn't deserve it...she was at her very best! I just think when they were in scenes together, Jack dominated the screen.
I agree, in this film Jack somewhat has the "John Wayne syndrome"...playing himself. But what a self!
...possibly the "coolest" guy ever to act on film!
FWIW & imo, I'm glad Keaton didn't get the Oscar here...I thought she was a little over the top in the "crying" scenes, and a few others.
Just my two cents,
Gary
Jack Nicholson's all time top role is as Jake Gittes in Polanski's "Chinatown".
Rico,What's your feeling on The Two Jakes? FWIW, I think it pales next to Chinatown (what doesn't in the mystery/noir genre?)...but it's not a bad film. Expectations were running a little high for this sequel, and Jack ending up directing after writer Robert Towne bailed on him.
My fave Nicholson part...Garret Breedlove, in Terms/Endearment. The lines he was given are so funny (I'd rather stick needile in my eyes...I was this close to a clean getaway" etc) are still some of the best imo...not a bad co-star, either!
Have a good w/e,
Gary
I was disapointed, let down, when I first saw this, but then again who wasn't? Over the years I have returned to it and now appreciate it for what is. There originally was supposed to be a third installment, I think involving road construction and which took place in the fifties. There are some nice touched in TTJ but I still have trouble with the pat ending. And I don't understand the "Green Parrot" sequence.
started going off the deep end in Dead Poets Society...and then came turkey after turkey- What Dreams May Come, Patch Adams...the guy can be good if he drops the Emotional Wellness persona, e.g. One Hour Photo...but his lows are really really low.
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Thanks for the picks! I'm surprised no one jumped on the Burt Reynolds campaign...this guy was nomnated for his performance in Deliverance, and was the biggest box office star in the world at one time...but he has made sooo any bad films.I used the Leonard Maltan book as a general guide...Sly Stallone averaged 2.0 in his film ratings (the ratings added together, divided by number of films). Burt, with many more films, averaged aprox. 1.57...he had eight films listed as "bombs" that received no rating, which brought his average down.
In fact, Reynolds only had two (of his over 40 films) that received more than a 3 star average...Deliverence and The Longest Yard.
The "bombs?" Cannonball Run, Hustle, Stoker Ace, Bandit III, Cannonball II, Heat, Rent-a-cop, Cop and a Half. As a personal note, I think Physical Evidence should be on the list (Maltin gave it 1.5)...one of the worst ever! I'm sure your proud, Burt.
I know this average of a film ratings system isn't scientific, but I dare any inmate to defend either one of these guys! The King of the Turkeys (Reynolds)... and the Clown Prince of bad films (Sly)!
BTW, I haven't averaged the ratings of Maurice Micklewhight! yet...should be interesting, and a serious contender for the title.
...Thanks for playing "King of the Turkeys."
Gary
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...for "Never Say Never Again." What a shithead!
n/t
"The Lush Life" was the most brilliant thing I've seen him in.
Hasn't been nominated for an acting Oscar.
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Normally I don't care for Jeff Goldblum, but I agree he was really good in Lush Life. I also liked him in The Big Chill playing a writer for People magazine.
His movies (along with his acting) stink, period. "Men of Honor" is the only one I give respectable marks to but that's just my opinion.
manner makes any casting of him (Sgt. in Pvt. Ryan) in traditional male roles a travesty.
Yes, he is talented. He was excellent in that Philadelphia movie as the gay guy with AIDS.
The fact that Hanks played the Sgt as a meterosexual intelligent civillized human being annoys you? Yes lets have the typical Red Neck American in the title role as like all other lousy war films on WWII. Hanks is a welcome relief most of the time.
First of all, Hanks was a Captain, not a "sgt" in Pvt Ryan.
Lisping? Femme? Wow, I didn't see that at all.
Of course, he is playing an Army Captain who is really a high school English teacher, so maybe he didn't pour on the macho a la Rambo.
He was nominated for the Oscar for this performance, and I remember thinking that he should have won (I can't remember who did). Ditto for his work in Castaway...but I don't think he's gonna get that third Oscar (breaking the record) easily...although I agree with his not winning for Road to Perdition (very good job, just not Oscar worthy).
There seems to be some kind of attitude about Hanks...to glib, to "Hollywood?" (Obviously and not surprisingly, the opinions of Victor and Patrick?).
I dunno, guys, I think he's one of the most diverse and talented actors working today.
My 2 cents,
Gary
I believe Jack Nicholson has been awarded three Best Actor Oscars.
...is for best supporting actor (Terms of Endearment).Have a good weekend,
Gary
Thanks for the clarification. IME, no matter how smart (or cool or experienced or etc.) one think one is there's always someone who knows more than you do. Thanks again, regards, rico
and I enjoy your posts!
All the best,Gary
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His role with the " Callas scene " was a high light in modern time film. Wonderful.
That scene never worked for me. It seemed way too forced. Tom Hanks was at his best in movies like Big and A League of their own IMO.
Which role was that?
In Philadelphia, when he is alone in his room and the Callas sings " Mama morte "
The two blend to a kind of perfectio ( voice & acting ) that I still have in my mind after many a year.
I would rather take Susan Sarandon and Casta Diva in Atlantic City.That was sexy.
I don't remember that moment in Piladelphia... the whole movie is like a blur to me.
" Atlantic" was totally different, and not so modern time Hollywoodian, in fact more a European film, or indepedent film as I remember.
But this scene, is still engraved in my mind, I wonder how this film would do today? It was ok for my taste when I saw it back then.
Maybe because, I was happy in a political way that Hollywood would make a good move for the " pestilence " of that time, remember when the homosexual would be demonized, and some said it was the wrath of God.
The bastards.
...none of them have done multiple sequels so they don't have Stallone's bad movie count [Rocky II-V, Rambo 1-3, Cobra (holy crap!)].
Won an Oscar for "The Untouchables", but "Medicine Man", "LEG", and his films from 1990-on mostly suck.
a handful of great roles but far too many jingoist and B Grade "Sands of Iwo Jima" films between them
Not to belittle him as an actor; he could be great, but most of the films he's in are unsalvageableGrins
That's an entirely different animal than any actors postwar efforts. Afterall, every actor in Hwood was making those pep squad features.
Wonderful films!
sfh
As for myself I am not willing to separate, and therefore can not.
John Wayne may have been very conservative, but he had real value in his life so far I knows, and I think he was a helful hand in his time as a man. Time have change, but look back 60 years ago...Men were even more macho...
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