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In Reply to: To the guys who loved this movie and disagreed w/me below: posted by tinear on February 3, 2005 at 18:18:57:
"do you get out much?'Yes.
"The guy's wife left him because he is such a self-centered loser."No, he is a much more complicated person than that. Just because *you* don't see it doesn't mean it aint there.
" You may think attractive women find it attractive for a guy to give them zero eye-contact on a first date and spend most of the time thinking of their ex, and then to ignore a cautious romantic overture."Good lord, what movie did you see? They made plenty of eye contact on their first date (which was not their first meeting, they knew each other already) and they mostly discussed their common passion, wine. That usually yields a pretty high success rate for first dates IME. Do they have baggage as divorcees? Yes. Welcome to the reality of dating after a divorce. Are you ignoring that they have another thing in common as recent divorcees? They were in the same situation. Obviously she had the perspective to deal with his baggage better than most.
"Listen, talk this film over with women, puhleeese."
I know a number of very bright women that love this movie.
" It's obvious a geeky guy who wrote a fantasy."
Not even close." Seriously, have you ever known, personally, a guy like that character that ended up with a babe? No."
Christ I know Virginia Madsen's cureent boy friend in real life and he is a bit of a geek with his own baggage! Yes, I know plenty of geeky guys who have had babes.
" He'd have ended up with the chubby waitress----if he was lucky."
You seem to have a real low opinion of women. Hint, they are not all that shallow and impatient.
"Oh, the fourth good performance was, of course, that of the waitress: she gave 2 good ones...
Let me emphasize how GREAT I think the two women and the actor guy were: his performance is Oscar caliber.
Giamatti's character was a nice counterpoint but exactly the same irascible character we've seen in countless other movies. The actor, on the other hand, was an unforgettable original."
Yep we saw different movies.
Follow Ups:
school teachers who write unpublished novels (don't they all?) who walk around totally depressed about THEIR divorces, never show interest in anyone but themselves (including the woman whose company they're sharing), and are overweight and balding. Spurning a woman's overture and then ambush-clutching at her rudely and roughly for an attempted kiss is also a tried-and-true pleaser.
You, mon ami, are a dreamer.
Now, just what do you think turns women off, I wonder?
"school teachers who write unpublished novels (don't they all?) who walk around totally depressed about THEIR divorces, never show interest in anyone but themselves (including the woman whose company they're sharing), and are overweight and balding. Spurning a woman's overture and then ambush-clutching at her rudely and roughly for an attempted kiss is also a tried-and-true pleaser.
You, mon ami, are a dreamer.
Now, just what do you think turns women off, I wonder?"Again, I'm not sure what movie you saw but doesn't seem to be the one I saw. You seem to have seen about a quarter of the movie.
Face it, women like guys who are fun to be with and show some interest in them. Being attractive, lively, and charming don't hurt, either (like Giamatti's soon-to-be-married chum).
Any sensible woman would have come away thinking, "This clown should marry a bottle of Pinot---that's all HE's going to screw..."
"Face it, women like guys who are fun to be with and show some interest in them."Face it, your broad generalization of women and what women want is shallow and narrow.
"Being attractive, lively, and charming don't hurt, either (like Giamatti's soon-to-be-married chum)."1. That guy is hardly good looking.
2. Not all women decide who they like based soley on looks. Like I said before, I know Virginia Madsen's real life boy friend. He ain't good looking. That is Virginia Madsen the successful Oscar nominated actress not Mia the waitress working her way through grad school.
"Any sensible woman would have come away thinking, "This clown should marry a bottle of Pinot---that's all HE's going to screw...'"Now you speak for all sensible women? Give it a break. There are real world women that are beautiful and not as superficial as you seem to believe all beautiful women to be.
to email me: I have a great Pinot cellar, I'm bald, a little chubby, irascible, and I promise to ignore her.
BTW, you do realize what women say they want greatly is at odds with what obtains?
You seem confused. Virginia is not Mia. Some how I don't get the impression that you are Virginia's type, should she happen to break up with my friend some time soon. I will say this for her. She is not so shallow as to exclude all guys that are not as good looking as herself from consideration.
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