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I have a 4-yr. old and we had some friends of hers over to watch it.
Later, we and their parents agreed that the director and writer (and Brad also does the voice of the Edith Head-like character!) must not have kids or know much about parenting.
He shows Bob expressing anger at his boss by slamming him, unapologetically, through a wall.
Later, his son is guilty of repeatedly "tacking" the chair of a teacher at school----and Bob gushes fatherly pride over the sneakiness Dash exhibited in doing so.
I know, I know...it's just a film, it's all done in "fun." But no one that has kids under-appreciates these anti-hero actions by a....larger than life hero.
What a shame...you could trust Disney to separate good and evil with black and white lines. Today, raising kids is hard enough without major entertainers getting into a kid's head, pre-school.
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Which would suggest that a responsible parent would watch it to determine if it was appropriate for their 4-year old before showing it to them. It's not clear whether or not you watched it before showing it to the kids. If you did, and determined that it's not appropriate, then no "major entertainers" going to get into your "kid's head, pre-school" because you won't show it to them. OTOH, if you showed a PG movie to your 4-year-old without pre-screening it, then I'd say it's you who don't know much anout parenting. It's not the filmmaker's job to determine what's right for your children, it's yours.I will say that for me what makes it difficult is all of the advertising and promo tie-ins in today's world of marketing blitzkreig. If you don't buy it for your kids you have to put up with them endlessly asking why every time they see an ad, but such is one price for living in today's world.
John K.
Wasn't "The Incredibles" rated PG?!...
... you obviously haven't made it to the 2nd disc yet. May I suggest your watching the deleted scenes and Bird's commentary before making any subjective assessments about Brad Bird's personal experience with parenting.> > > "I know, I know...it's just a film, it's all done in "fun." But no one that has kids under-appreciates these anti-hero actions by a....larger than life hero." < < <
Sheeeesh! The Incredibles wasn't aimed at the rugrats demographic tinear, and why should it be? There's plenty of that mindless drivel out there already! The Incredibles was produced with intelligence and wit for older kids and adults who like animation and carry with them a certain nostalgia for animated super heroes. FYI, the super-speed tack in the chair gag (which was very sharp in my estimation -grin) and the humor surrounding a super hero dealing with real world job frustrations doesn't rise to the level of unsuitable material for adolescents, if you ask me.
> > > "What a shame...you could trust Disney to separate good and evil with black and white lines. Today, raising kids is hard enough without major entertainers getting into a kid's head, pre-school." < < <
First of all, I'm GLAD it wasn't "Disneyized" to death; today's Disney productions, with rare exception are pure CRAP! Secondly, PIXAR is the creative force behind their films and is now separating itself from the onerous influence of Disney Studios which has taken credit for PIXAR's independent work for years. As far as good and evil and black and white lines, what you're alluding to is propaganda, because those lines don't always exist; sure, they're there, but the good/evil/B&W elements have to be balanced by TRUTH and real-world sensitivities. To do less would be a disservice to all children and the adults who raise them.
Geez, we live in a world where worse things are on the evening news at suppertime EVERY friggin' night and the video games aimed at kids are more violent than anything seen on television or read in adult crime novels (note: I'd be the first to agree with you that there should be age limits on violent videogames and restraint on certain kinds of reality based programming that kids are exposed to on television)! BTW, back in the 1930's The Three Stooges were engaged in much more violent anti-social acts in their films and those shorts were aimed at family viewing.
So let's not get carried away with dissing PIXAR for producing a bright witty feature that both kids and adults can enjoy simply over mature content that will be over the heads of most younger kids anyway.
Cheers,
AuPh
...it's an animated film - not a parenting "how to". Please don't confuse the two.
Your points are well-taken.
They're wrong, though.
I do appreciate the fact that you took my points well, but I would have appreciated it more if, in failing to take them well, you had seen their merit. The fact that you didn't says more about being overprotective than it does about good parenting, but that's just my opinion; YMMV.BTW, since you consider my opinions "wrong" I gather that you consider Brad Bird a poor parent because he chose not to make the kind of mindless kiddie film that you'd feel more comfortable allowing your 4 year old to watch, or am I missing something?
AuPh
Tom and Jerry. (These two were so .. violent, Simpsons parodies them with Itchy and Sccratchy!)Bugs Bunny vs. Just About Everyone.
Mighty Mouse.
Woody Woodpecker.
All of the above are vintage, from as far back as the 30's for some of 'em -- and they were far, far more violent than many of the shows today, be it ink and paint or hy00mans.
But your'e right, Disney has always been lily-white, no safe-dropping, no piano-dropping, no exploding cigars. No six-pack of dynamite.
Feh. No wonder I turned otaku.
Besides, isn't Incredibles targeted at *us*?! Just like all the aforementioned toons? I don't think they had the kiddies in mind when they did 'em -- else, they woulda put out such dreck as Barney or Totoro or that weird little locomotive.
I seriously dislike the US attitude that 'toons are for kids.' Double-feh on that. Toons don't make sense till you grow up ;o)
If you have ever seen the early Mickey Mouse cartoons, the ones from 1927-1932, you'll figure out quick why he became such a beloved icon in Depression-era America. He was brash, vulgar, and didn't give a damn about anything! Bart Simpson could have been based on him. Have you seen the sequence in one cartoon where he pulls and plays with a cow's udders?! Using the same sort of career blueprint that the Colonel would use with Elvis, Walt began looking for a way to tone Mickey down to appeal to an even wider "family" audience and still have an "attitude" in his short cartoons. The creation of Daffy Duck helped for a year or so, but by 1935, Disney threw his creative muscle into Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, and that ended the last bit of real anarchy in the Disney cartoons.Leonard Maltin has written a couple of good books about American animated shorts 1920-1968 (from "Gertie the Dinosaur" to the closing of the Warners animation studios [it is interesting to note that George Lucas originally wanted to work on Warner Bros. animated cartoons and when he got an internship to WB, the first place he went to was "Termite Terrace", the famed animators studio. They had just closed it down. Looking for someplace to work for 3 or so months, he wandered into an office where another young tyro, Francis Coppola was preparing "Finian's Rainbow" and dreams of an animation career ended!].) Maltin has written some good stuff about the early Disney sound cartoons.
The Incredibles are humans (albeit, super-ones).
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