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In Reply to: No, Patrick: both Joyce´s story and Huston´s film go growing from... posted by orejones on August 5, 2005 at 10:05:24:
I better may choose words that can adapt to what you think the film ( and the short story was ) in your view of it as for mine we may, maybe, differ a lot on the contend and the way to interpret it.
What I meant was less than there was no psychological continuation in fact there was, but that in the end we live together in the routine of the days passing by, and someday some of us wake up to find an aspect of the compagnion with live with to be a stranger whose passion chock us.
That was the case in " The Dead ".
The moment they reach the hotel is very sad as all of the film, a profund sadness, like the snow who rarely felt there, the sadness of an old man ( Huston ) knowing is times has come to an end. He lived for many years in Irland and he so wonderfully catch the very sprit of his own people and of course of JJ.
The tears in her eyes...Yet not for him.
No, emotions come to strong in me.
Anyway it is such a wonderful film. Bare to none.
Soon, as in every Autumn I will have it as the perfect companion to my own sadness.patrick
Follow Ups:
...every acception this word has. Then you´ll easily see how the whole film was growing towards that epiphany it ends with.And I still won´t put sadness high in my list of adjectives trying to describe it...
Regards
BF
It is in common use in the French language, BTW...
Well as of course the words reflect always every one own sensibility, I would.
He never will reach her the way her dead love did.
he never will have this place in her live.
And still they will remain together, without passion but with reason.
Ain´t erzatz for passion.
Sadness.PS: When it comes to this I feel so castrated, words, shades of words, and no places in a missing vocabulary to replace them.
I must learn.
More.
We all knows, while one is loving the other is suffering.
...as that epyphany opens a new window for him to look both inside himself and into the woman he now has discovered how he loves, thus making his love greater, not lesser. Now she has shared her secret with him, they can become closer to each other, once that wall has fallen down...Greek word for that higher kind of love is "Agapé", which has no exact equivalent in today´s languages, something like "love beyond passion" being the closest...Strange thing, love, always going against the rules of economy, as the more you share it, the more you have. And how wise old Greeks were, when they conceived the ones in love as not acting on their own, but possessed by a god who drove them beyond reason (did you know what the word "enthusiasm" means? "Driven by (a) god", no less...)
Regards
BF
I see it. ( maybe it is that YOU never has suffered ( enough ) because of love, he-he..) Anyway I can feel is suffering because he KNOWS that her love to him never will ever reach this high again. Of course it makes his love greater, as you always want what you can not got....Love bejond passion is just an excuse for putting you into a dormant state of mind.
Love is not in small pieces. It is all or nothing...
Passion.
The rest is like a cold expresso.
Demon or God, who knows for sure?Salut Bernardo, and think, without love life is not worth....
Patrick
All of the stories in "Dubliners" are about epiphanys.
More than once we spoke on this film.
But won´t you tell us your view on the difference B. and I have on this now?
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