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Elizabeth I

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Well so far, it is excellent. And the English is unaccented enough to make it a pleasure to listen to; no missed words or phrases due to thick English accents, ala Children of Men. Would anyone know, are only the events in the movie real? Are some of them imagined? And were there any records of actual words of Queeen Elizabeth I. Or are all these wonderfully flowing speeches the creation of modern screenwriters?

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Will the real ER1 step forward....... - mr grits 06:35:07 02/27/07 (1)
Saw disk two as disk one is in heavy Netflix demand. Excellent. But it brings to mind the question as to who is the real Elizabeth? How many times has she been portrayed and each time differently? It is confusing and makes one wonder what her persona really was.
On the recent PBS Brit version (I forget the actress) it showed the white pasty make up was to cover the scars from her poxy illness--which has never been told before. It's the little pieces like this that haven't all been pulled one place.

"I'm going to go pack for France."
- Re: Elizabeth 1st died of lead poisoning from using that makeup - grinagog 14:48:20 02/27/07 (0)
  which was based on white lead; it's shown in the 1970's Glenda Jackson series * so that's not correct *
  Grins
Re: Elizabeth I - patrickU 06:10:37 02/27/07 (2)
You meant the one with Mirren?
- yes, sorry. And I accidentally mailed back disc II !! - Duilawyer 07:30:54 02/27/07 (1)
  Ooops!!! But 1 will hold me for another night. Man its good.
  - Re: yes, sorry. And I accidentally mailed back disc II !! - patrickU 05:06:10 02/28/07 (0)
    Well I wrote shortly here about this one.
    Excellent film!
    If only we could have more of this kind....
Re: Elizabeth I, its the time of Shakespeare - grinagog 22:13:44 02/26/07 (9)
so modern screenwriters have a ton of material to draw from and paraphrase from Elizabethan English
The most painstakingly historically accurate recreation of the Elizabeth 1 story still remains the Glenda Jackson TV series from the 1970's
If you want to watch a film in *Elizabethan English* then there's the Tempest ( Shakespeares final play ) as adapted by Peter Greenaway as "Prosperos Books", but be warned; it's very heavy fare
Grins
- isit possible, or even likely, these are the real words used at the time? - Duilawyer 07:31:52 02/27/07 (8)
  Or is that ridiculous?
  - Some modern paraphrasing perhaps - DWPC 16:51:25 02/27/07 (0)
    I seriously doubt any of the dialogue in the HBO production is quoted but I recall reading that E1 was the first English monarch to openly address the public, as she's shown doing when they prepare for the Spanish to invade. I'm sure some of her speaches were at least loosely transcribed, so a few key phrases there may be based on her actual speech.
  - No; only a filmmaker like Greenaway would be brave enough - grinagog 14:55:13 02/27/07 (6)
    to use Shakespearian English unabridged
    Grins
    - And he probably knows everyone who watched the film to the end by first name - Victor Khomenko 15:29:48 02/27/07 (5)
      I probably got about 20% of text, but I simply treated it as background music to interesting images.
      - Re: I think that was only ever you, me and Peter Greenaway, Victor - grinagog 16:11:20 02/27/07 (4)
        
        In Reply to: And he probably knows everyone who watched the film to the end by first name posted by Victor Khomenko on February 27, 2007 at 15:29:48:
        
        and agreed, the text is so impenetrable that I found myself just "switching off" and enjoy the scenery in this film
        What might salvage this on DVD would be a choice of alternative narrative tracks; like Eubonics, Gangsta Rap, Noo Yawk + Noo Jawsey-eez, Cockney English rhyming slang and what the Scots call *talking shite * as per Trainspotting. Maybe even Beat generation slang as per Kerouac and Ginsberg
        "Full fathoms five my father lies, his bones of coral made" could become:
        Prospero, like gettin' in DOWN in the 'hood with all us chillens, aw reet ? Hoots Mon, see you down the Rubbidy Dub with the Trouble and Strife. Just TOO PHAT Ariel, you finger poppin' Daddy at five fathoms, tangerine flake kandy-coated coral
        Shakespeare would approve
        Grins
        
        LOL! BTW, what's up with him these days? - Victor Khomenko 16:29:44 02/27/07 (3)
        
        In Reply to: Re: I think that was only ever you, me and Peter Greenaway, Victor posted by grinagog on February 27, 2007 at 16:11:20:
        
        I mean - I can see some activity on imdb, but he seems to have disappeared, practically speaking. Last one I saw was Pillow Book. Did you see 8 1/2 Women? Worth a buck for rent?
        
        Re: So Greenaway combined Fellinis 8 1/2 + City of Women? - grinagog 18:32:00 02/27/07 (2)
        
        In Reply to: LOL! BTW, what's up with him these days? posted by Victor Khomenko on February 27, 2007 at 16:29:44:
        
        now *that* I have to see!
        Err, no, I didn't like the Pillow Book at all and thought he'd *lost it* so haven't bothered with 8 1/2 Women
        If you take the plunge please post your opinion!
        Grins
        
        Added to the queue... my wife hates him, so I guess a few nights on a couch are in order - Victor Khomenko 20:03:46 02/27/07 (1)
        
        In Reply to: Re: So Greenaway combined Fellinis 8 1/2 + City of Women? posted by grinagog on February 27, 2007 at 18:32:00:
        
        Will be a while before I get to it, though.
        I think he simply lost track of what he wanted to do. He started as a painter, and it seems movies have been his secondary love. He brought beautiful art to some of them, but perhaps never understood that films needed few other things to become a whole.
        The Pillow Book was his low point, I hope.
        
        Greenaway has the heart and soul of an Artist - grinagog 02:03:25 02/28/07 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Added to the queue... my wife hates him, so I guess a few nights on a couch are in order posted by Victor Khomenko on February 27, 2007 at 20:03:46:
        
        so that could take him in any direction
        Mao was a poet; Hitler painted watercolors
        Josef Stalin had his train set ( or so I hear )
        Grins

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