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In Reply to: Re: Well, like you said, it's "another matter of opinion, of course." posted by Bruce from DC on January 23, 2002 at 13:50:38:
Your comment on Gladiator's digital effects is interesting. I think it got an award or something, but THEY WERE NOT VERY GOOD AT ALL! Not cartoons like the old days, but pretty poor.Doug Schneider
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The effects were mostly attrocious. Especially in the scene when he fights lions and opponents.However... that too has nothing to do with the director's skill. Remember, we started with the discussion of Scott as director, not the effect person on his crew.
Technical means have nothing in common with director's vision. But in the culture where just purely visual effects play important role they start taking this extra significance. When the subtlety and emotions are removed from the work, what is left is the visual trash. In that area the US makers are above all the rest.
But for as long as we stay with the pure art of directing all that doesn't, or shouldn't, matter. Gladiator was not bad because its digital artifacts showed. I can think of great films where the effects were crude - but that didn't matter, like a frame on Rembrandt. OK, so it mattered a small bit.
So we are in process of losing our soul but gaining great looking body with biceps to die for. Gladiator lost its soul for sure (or rather never had it to begin with), so THIS is what's important in my view, not the proportion of its muscles.
I also don't have any problem with giving the awards for those effects - love them as much as you like - it is just not the part of the director's talent.
Agreed that the effects are not the director's responsibility, I guess. (Who's in charge of the overall picture?)But, these days, even in bad movies, the special effects are usually transparent. So, it seemed worthy of comment that the special effects in this film ("Gladiator") were not transparent.
I'm sure there are any number of classic films in which the special effects -- or even the foley effects or the fight scenes -- are not up to modern standards. And, as you say, that does not detract from the overall value of the film.
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