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I've never had any problem admitting I might like a film that would never be on any critics 10 best list.Here are some of my B-List favs:
1. So I Married An Ax Murderer
2. The Last Dragon
3. Carwash
4. Opportunity knocks
5. Tommy Boy"Housekeeping. You want pillow?"
Follow Ups:
"Tango & Cash"...charmingly contrived, much like a Bob Hope-Bing Crosby films...and the high throttle action never stops. See also Stallone's "Cobra"; I just love the opening scene of that movie, you can keep the rest. I even like him in "Rhinestone"! I can't understand why people can't accept his zany sense of humor. I'm still waiting for "Paradise Alley" and "F.I.S.T", I like him that much!"The Steven Segal Collection of Films"...no nonsense, straightforward confrontation/non-stop casualty action, totally without a purpose or reason...even though there is a script. Great to see if your mad at something. See also Joel Shumacher's "Falling Down"; perfect catharsis for modern living.
"The Billy Jack" Movies...a filmmaker communicating on an intellectual level, much like Oliver Stone, but unfortunately he was ahead of his time and Hollywood defeated him for his point of view. Stone is a survivor; he won't make the same mistakes. His "Billy Jack Goes To Washington" is a tour de force...but you cant convince ANYONE else about that.
"They Live"...I love the concept, and the deft handling of the EFX...unfortunately it falls flat somewhere 2/3's of the way through.
A few I can think of:Better off Dead -- Thanks for reminding me Harmonia!
Batman, the movie (the Adam West one)
She's All That...cute story but much, much cuter lead actress..be still my heart.
Porky's....just plain funny
Josie & the Pussycats...cute pop culture satire but much, much cuter lead actress..be still my heart.
Rob
Zardoz
Superman
Saturday Night Feaver
Grease
Always fun to watch him in action and it must have been thrilling for Olivia. She will go down in history as his last on-screen partner....now that is an honor!BTW, Singing in the Rain remains one of the greatest films of all time.
Rob
"Little Man Tate".I find it an extremely charming movie, and for the first time since "Taxi Driver" that Jodie Foster gives a very genuine and unaffected performance. Even Harry Connick shows us he can act. The other acting performances are also as endearing. I dont know what charm and magic she used on the set, but it worked!
Some favorite cinematic cheese wedges in no paricular order:The Hidden (Kyle McLaughlin takes aspirin the hard way.)
Pitch Black (This one actually scared me.)
Back to the Future II (It's not really bad, in fact it's pretty good, but it IS misunderstood.)
My Blue Heaven (Blue cheese. No excuses, this IS bad.)
The Golden Voyage of Sinbad, Jason & the Argonauts (Yay! Ray Harryhausen! How outdated of me!)
Better Off Dead (I actually like another John Cusack teen flick better, but can't remember the name...Robert Loggia, sailboats? Anybody?)
Tie: Steel Magnolias, Only You (Estrogen alert!)
The Faculty (I love this film. Didn't you think some of *your* teachers were aliens? "Do both of us really need to go?"..."No, one of us is a decoy.")
The first five Star Trek movies (Take your pick, ALL cheesy, led by the cheesemeister himself, William Shatner.)
Last but not least...
Braindead AKA Dead Alive (Hilarious, kiwi gorefest. Had anyone at New Line seen this before they gave Jackson $300 million to make LOTR? From the genius that brought us Meet the Feebles AND Heavenly Creatures. Go PJ!)
No need to apologize on that one. I don't know why that film works so well, but there's just *something* about it that transformed the film into a bit of an accidental masterpiece. I've shown and forced that film on a number of people over the years, and everyone has loved it, though some did begrudgingly admit to this.
Bryan K.,
Music Lover & President-elect of C.C.A.C. (Concerned Citizens Against Cilantro)
Any movie that has Salma Hayek in it is automatically a good flick!or Rachel Lee Cook or Raquel Welch or Grace Kelly or Rita Hayworth or Jane Seymour or Dorothy Lamour or Donna Reed.
It is just not possible that any of these women would make a bad movie.
Rob
But I don't bring it up at Film Society meetings very often, lol! My standards may be higher, or maybe my pantheon is smaller, snert snert.The Faculty's my fave pic among ironic teen horror movies...that high school is hell on earth long before the aliens arrive. "I don't think anyone should run unless they're being chased"...luv it. Run Casey, run.
If Blockbuster still has it that is.....see my rant at the top.
no such thing as too much Salma!
Rob
I love that flick.I am having Fraanch fries, Fraannch bread and Fraannch dressing for dinner tonight.
Like Blue Heaven too.
Rob
Here's $2 on me...(snert).Yeah the Cusacks are cool...I love the expression on Joan C's face when she sends the turtles down the drain in My Blue Heaven.
I had no idea, truly, NO idea, this ward was so cultured.
"do you have any idea of the street value of this mountain?""he had his, how you say, testicles all over me"
"sorry I blew up you mom, Ricky"
" shame to throw away a perfectly good white boy like that"
Funny funny funny.
Rob
I think the John Cusack movie you're referring to is "One Crazy Summer". I was just talking about that one a couple days ago with some friends at work. The cute and fuzzy bunnies were the best.Kevin
...maybe Art Dudley saw this flick? One Crazy Summer also had Demmi Moore pouting around with long dowdy hair, and you could almost understand Bobcat Goldthwaite.Actually, though, I was thinking of Hot Pursuit. John misses his plane, misses the boat, gets adopted by splif smoking natives in the Caribean and kidnapped by Robert Loggia, though he does thwart pirate Ben Stiller in the end. Gets the girl, too.
Not cheesy, but pretty funny, is The Sure Thing, directed by Rob Reiner. But THE best teen love flick of all time has to be Say Anything. Still Cameron Crowes best flick IMO. It's just come out in a very cool DVD edition with mucho special features, including a commentary wherein Ione Skye reveals Cusack turned her on in one of their love scenes. Love it! Sometimes life is good!
I love these movies which critics almost universally trashed:1. Americathon
2. Death Race 2000 (the original)
3. Kentucky-Fried Movie
4. Fletch Lives
5. Spies Like Us
6. High Anxiety
7. In Harm's Way
8. Gone In 60 Seconds (the original, which was far, far better than the remake)
9. Vanishing Point
10. Zabriskie Point
11. Carwash
12. The Strawberry Statement
13. The Harrad Experiment
14. The Valachi Papers
15. Death Wish (despite my total opposition to this films political statements - and there are many - I can't deny that it is an exceptionally well-made and exciting film. Forget the countless sequels, though)
16. Billy Jack
17. It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World
18. Zardoz (which I still think is one of the top sci-fi films of the 70s)
19. They Call Me Trinity (a comedy spaghetti-western that is really a dead-on spoof of the genre)
20. Bamboozled! (Spike Lee is misunderstood but one of our best filmmakers)12.
No need to be ashamed of Zardoz. I've always loved this sarcastic parody of life and death.drobo
I don't recall saying I was ashamed of liking any of the listed movies.ZARDOZ is, in my book, a classic. I think it gets little respect because Jon Boorman gets little from critics and most are clueless when it comes to science fiction movies. I guess they prefer junk like BARBARELLA to serious sci-fi like ZARDOZ.
...I always get the giggles when the hero rubs his manly sweat on the ladies...this fim is WORTHY, I tell you.I'd rather have my sweaty men recite incantations, like Nicol Williamson does as Merlin in Boorman's Excalibur.
Hey danj,I've always been a fan of 'Death Wish' - politics aside. (This gets to be like the Seinfeld episode re gays and "...not that there's anything wrong with that". Must qualify...)
Of the sequels, I've only seen 'II' - what a piece of crap. Big mistake moving Paul Kersey (Bronson) move to the West Coast. Jimmy Page doing the soundtrack doesn't help.
Have you ever heard the Herbie Hancock soundtrack to 'Death Wish"? Good stuff.
I wouldn't be embarressed about liking that one. I can't see how it is not on nearly everyones top ten comedy list. A great film. You are however correct in keeping the rest of your list hidden, you've got some true crap in there. ;^)Steve
I think Mad, Mad World is a comedy classic that pays a lot of homage to the movies director Stanley Kramer grew up on. I love the movie and have seen it many times. Why so many critics hate it is a puzzler. Maybe they don't want to watch a well made film with a good cast that's one gag after another. Maybe the pace is so fast they can't keep up.Or maybe they just had something against Stanley Kramer.
It's a later film of Kramer's that has a heavy, negative, cynical edge missing from his other films. Compared with the rest of Kramer's ouvre, this sticks out like a genuninely "sore thumb". It's also a very cynical, dark comedy; he wasn't known for his humor but for his films of the human condition, expressed in the hope of the individual of overcoming his dark side(s), etc.. He rarely strayed from these general themes, but when he did...it just didn't ring true.I mean this guy is the director of a film about the few survivors of a nuclear war..."On the Beach", "Inherit the Wind", "The Defiant Ones", "Home of the Brave" and "Guess Who's Coming To Dinner". Message films...high quality, well crafted stories.
I won't get into a pissing match about this film. Mad, Mad World is more than anything Kramer's homage to the films of his youth. He said so himself. As a film buff I recognize many of the little in jokes and asides in the film. It's been one of my favorite comedies since it was first released.Beneath all that madcap foolery is an intelligent movie with something to say about greed and stupidity. I don't think it's crass or unsubtle. If people don't get it, they aren't paying attention.
Well, the thread is on movies we're embarassed to admit that we like. Call it guilty pleasures.Yeah, some of the movies, like AMERICATHON and DEATH RACE 2000 aren't exactly of the highest calibre, but I liked them. Turn off your brain and some movies can be taken for just their entertainment value. Plus, I have always like movies that are satirical or spoof the current fads.
Which of my list, other than AMERICATHON and DEATH RACE 2000, which I admit are pretty much crap, do you truly dislike? Have you seen them or just judging from word-of-mouth?
...and a belated April Fools joke to all!clark
no way
1. Class of Nukem High
2. Orgasmo
3. Any of the Evil Dead Series
4. Cannibal; the Musical
Hint; I own them all on DVD (except Nukem, damn!)- I LOVE cheesy movies!!!!!
You want more???!!!!
Dman
The best was the Indian tribe - all played by Japanese.Bell: Could you tell me what tribe this is?
Chief: We are...Indians.
Bell: Yes I see that, but what Indians?
Chief: You don't think we are Indians?
Bell: No, no, no, I just uh...
Chief: We have teepees!
Bell: Right! I see, but...
Chief: Look at all these teepees we have. Because...we are...Indians
Packer: Yeah, they have teepees.
[The trappers get interrupted while singing a song.]
Humphrey: Oh, Stop!
Noon: That's sick.
Frenchy: I agree. Nutter, you were singing in the wrong key!
Nutter: No I wasn't. It was Loutzenheiser. I was singing in Eb minor.
Frenchy: The song's in F# major!
Bell: I think they're the same thing. I mean, Eb is the relative minor of F#.
Frenchy: No, it isn't. The relative minor is 3 half-tones down from the major, not up!
Noon: No, it's 3 down. Like A is the relative minor of C major.
Loutzenheiser: But isn't A# in C major?
Bell: Wait, are you singing mixolydian scales, or something?
Frenchy: A# is tonic to C major. It's the 6!
Humphrey: No it isn't!
Swan: Well, it'd be like a raised 13th if anything.
Frenchy: Oh well. You guys are just a bunch of loser diggers anyhow!
Humphrey: Oh see. You know we're right!
My goodness! Well, it can't be as bad as going to a Star Wars marathon party and almost every one recites their character's dialog throughout the whole thing!
Have a spadoinkle day!!!!
Dman
Back when I was 12 I seemed to be able to quote entire movies, driving my parents nuts in the process. Sadly my brain has lost this wonderful ability. I actually had to go look these quotes up.
60's sci-fi. Models on strings, pyrotechnics, rubber monster suits, bad dubbing. Relatively elaborate, yet cheesy sets. Cliches galore. Made in Japan, but the actors are mainly American. In one scene, an alien sneaks up on someone and wraps a tentacle around his neck, but if you watch closely you will see that the "victim" wraps the rubber tentacle around his own neck.
This flick hit the theaters in my neighborhood circa 1969 - I was nine years old at the time and it scared the hell out of me. Those awful green rubber suits can be very convincing to a child. This bit of trash is on TV every once in awhile but I've never again managed to see it all. It's not because I'm frightened, mind you, just busy...
Actually I'm opninionated enough not to be embarrassed by my taste in movies - but these are some of the worst movies that I happen to like.Big trouble in little china
Orgazmo
Superfly
Logan's Run
The Stoned Age
Scary Movie II (just saw this one - funny stuff)
Bachelor Party
Cheech and Chong - Up In Smoke
Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Sex But Were Afraid To Ask
Blankman
I could keep going, but I'm starting to scare myself.Oh, yeah, Starship Troopers is a great movie. I think it was the first DVD I bought. The art of making an intentionally bad movie is a delicate one, and they pulled it off pretty well.
Film doesn't get any more "Noir" than this, I love it! Peckinpah was a genius.
Eric
Tokyo*
Oh, yeah! Warren Oates at his greasiest driving around in that beat-to-shit car, swigging mescal while that horrible rotting head rolls around in a sack. And the flies buzzing around while the sun beats down unmerciful. Can't you almost smell it? And the Gigster as a gay hitman lurching around like William S. Burroughs. Beautiful!
I love this movie, too. The movie is so different and Warren Oates is utstanding in the lead. By the way, this film is on Roger Ebert's 4-star movie list. He, like me, is a great fan of Peckinpah's work. Most critics panned everything the director did after "The Wild Bunch." Most critics are fairly stupid.
And she would be a helluva hard act to follow; witty, disparaging, and able to dissect the shortcomings of any Film, Director or Actor like a surgeon. Agree the Warren Oates is just brilliant in "Garcia". I particularly like James Coburns portrayal of "Sgt. Steiner" in Cross of Iron too.
Even low key Peckinpah films like "Junior Bonner" are very salvageable IMHO. I'll give "Bring me the Head" a watch this weekend; it's just so over-the-top it always makes me laugh!
Eric
Tokyo*
Read Roger Ebert's dissection of the film. He's the only critic I've read who had a kind word for it, Oates' performance excepted. And yes, the film is over the top but I think it's appropriate. The Oates character is desperate and gets more desperate by the minute. Plus, he may not be totally sane but he is certainly more sane than those who know he has the head and are after him to get it. Notice how Oates starts talking to the head in the bag? I won't spoil it for you by saying any more.Enjoy!
Criticism in general, has diminished in importance, ever since the Kael and Andrew Sarris left our consciousness, with the advent of the 6oclock News Tv Movie Critic. The Old Masters have been replaced by homogenized and dumbed down photocopies like Joel Seigel, Jeffrey Lyons, et al.Ebert has survived based upon the strength of his print and long form Tv show work. But even he can't hold a candle, as they used to say, to Kael and Sarris.
That movie companies now make up the critical quotes for advert blurbs, who need em anyway ?
hi,
1) Amazon Women of the Avocado Jungle of Death
2) The Muppet Movie
3) Oblivion
4) Rustlers Rhapsody (i love this one)
5) Red dwarf (tv)
6) Big trouble in Little China
and that's just a taste, albeit bad...
Just out in special DVD edition..."the bastard's have landed!"
He's never done better; it's just WONDERFUL!
Eric
Tokyo*
Particulary when accompanied by some root. I love the Muppet Movie, too-the Muppet version of Treasure Island is great too (forget the title) with a great Tim Curry villain. Big Trouble, on the other hand...you really should be ashamed to admit that one :)
If you guys tell anyone I'll hunt you down and kill you.My Best
Steve
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I thought I was the only person who ever SAW this movie!
And yes, I love it and own it.
Loved it!
Babe, Grumpy Old Men and Groundhog Day
BOTH Babe movies. I even thought the cinematography was great. (Guess it was pretty good, Andrew Lesnie just took an Oscar for LOTR.)
I think Groundhog Day is a great movie by any standard.It's really well written.
You're probably right, I mentioned it because I know people that hated it or at least didn't like it much, maybe because they hate Bill Murray...
Here's a few of mine-Strange Brew ("Take off, you hoser!")
Caddyshack
Time after Time
History of the World, part 1
The Thing (from another world) original, 1951
one of my favorite Brooks films! go padreken!!
the flat out most brilliant american movie of its year and perhaps, for its genre, decade.
Good grief! Remember the scenes of horrible slaughter, where after a while the camera would draw back so that on-screen we could see that we had been watching the action over a video minitor? And remember what the prompt on the bar said? "Do you want to see more?"NO THANK YOU!
I laughed out loud.
Similarly the scrubbed appearance of most of the characters... It had to be satire!
What *I* don't understand, is wanting to own it on DVD, Superbit or no. That's ridiculous! Rent it once, maybe...
clark
so delectable were the nationalistic (geolistic?) convictions of the youngsters working through the recruiting and testing system...neil patrick harris as a telepath along with denise richards in Hans Solo mode was just over the top indulgence. my favorite line (so many gems to pick from!) is Jake Busey with "Hey, shoot a nuke down a bug hole, you get a lot of dead bugs."he who must go out and purchase today,
chiggy
It's not exactly Heinlen's book, but Verhooven's interpretation does convey the fascist overtones in the original novel. It's amazing that he does this without manipulating the audience with artificial appeals to patriotism (i.e., like Pearl Harbor) but rather by sculpting a brilliant satire on the vapidness of any society which closely alligns militarism with citizenship.The standard release of Starship Troopers on DVD is already demo quality eye-candy so the Superbit version should make bug-juice out of lesser significant bits of fluff like Moulin Rouge.
Yep, as bug movies go, ST rules! Ironically, the filmed version of Starship Troopers comes much closer to recreating the visions depicted on the infamous Topp's "Mars Attacks" cards than the silly movie of that name which botched the concept a few years ago.
I pre-ordered my Superbit copy of ST a couple of weeks back; BTW, did you reserve your copy from the "shark" too? :o)
Cheers,
Audiophilander
I do own a copy, got it as part of my sign up with Columbia House. I remember reading the R. Hienlien book "Starship Trooper" as a young teen.
Why not just stand off at a safe distance and nuke the place to a cinder rather than reenacting the D-Day invasion? After all they weren't interested in conquering territory, just killing all the bugs, which could have been done a lot more efficiently than shooting them one by one with small arms.Oh, right...there'd be no movie if the soldiers didn't land.
If their primary goal and motive was to capture a Brain Bug, the only way to do that would be to send in the troops. But in Hollywood, why worry about things like that (if the audience wants to think, they should just go out and read the book....)
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It's such a vapid piece of junk...what did they do, cast every beautiful looking and stupid actor in LA, for this picture ?
At least Casper Van Dein got to feel up Denise Richards in the outtakes on the DVD. I may be old and married, but I'd take an acting class or two to do that to her!!!
Geez, I'm a Dirty ol' Dman sometimes!
The only thing remotely sexually stimulating was the massive bug carnage.You will get to see more sex in the DVD...the 2DVD set...talk about floor scrapings!!!! It doesnt even rate a DVD release to me.
Starship Troopers is an EXCELLENT film, well worth the Superbit treatment. No offense, but you should probably just stick with art house fare and leave the action and science fiction genres to those of us who appreciate them.Audiophilander
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