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Can I get some reccomendations on $300+ Progressive scan DVD players that will be satisfying without having to use a line doubler? I was looking at the Denon DVD-900, Denon DVD 2800MKII and getting a Sony CRT projector on ebay. Probably the 7" tube models. They seem to go for around $1000.
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A DVD player with a progressive output can be visualized as a regular DVD player with a "line doubler" built in. The terms "progressively scanned DVD" and "line doubled DVD" are one in the same.If you have a progressive DVD player [with the progressive output turned on] you cannot use any other scan conversion device between the front-end and the monitor...unless the monitor in question is fairly unique, and has special needs.
Some/most HD monitors have a scan converter built in. They automatically up scan any incomming signal that is less than 480p, to 480p. If a signal at or above 480p is presented to the projector, it will automatically disable its own internal scaler [at least that's the most common way], and show the image in it's native resoloution. The output from a progressive DVD machine is 480p.
So now, the question is which device has the better scan converter? The DVD [front-end device] or the monitor. Typically with a cheaper front-end most folks will often prefer to use the interlaced componet outputs and let the monitor scan convert the image. With a high end DVD player, usually the onboard scan converter will look better. Best to try both and see. Frankly, in the $300 catagory, I wouldn't expect very great things from a DVD players scan converter. The DVD2800mkII is superior to the 900 both in terms of build and performance [audio and video].
I agree with everything you said here except the following statement...
*Frankly, in the $300 catagory, I wouldn't expect very great things from a DVD players scan converter.*In my testing I found, for less than $300 a Panasonic RP-82 in progressive mode outperforms the 2800II and many other machines costing upwards of $1000 like the Sony 900ES, Toshiba 9200 and a few others. Also the Panasomic RP-91K beats these machines for strict video performance. There are quite a few progressive DVD players that are using Faroudja based chipsets that are excellent machines in the $150-400 range including the Denon DVD-1600. In fact for video quality I would take the 1600 over the 2800II myself.
Hey Eric,I'll agree that some "budget" players buck the trend. Panasonic makes some nice machines, and the Denon DVD1600 is a very nice machine for the $$$. For that matter, I think I'd also prefer the 1600 over the 2800. The 2800 series has been a tad problematic...a nice enough player, but for the $$$ there's better options, IMO.
I'll also allow that the latest generation of low dollar progressive machines are a fair shot better than the machines they replaced, in terms of video quality.
Perhaps my statment was a bit too far reaching.
:-)
Steve
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Does the progressive scan come out of both componant and S-Video jacks? Looks like alot of the CRT projectors only have RGB and S-Video in rca jacks.
***Does the progressive scan come out of both componant and S-Video jacks?***No. Only component and you need a progressive component input. A standard component input won't work.
Yes, is the answer to your second question. There are a lot of progressive scan machines on the market, the Integra Research, Rotel & NAD are quite good in my experience.
Yes but what im asking is if some of these higher end progressice scan dvd players are just as good. I read on AR that since its built in that its skipping one step of analog to digital conversion.
The quality of upconverter depends on the individual unit, yes you are skipping one step, but is it doing the job right? Some built into DVD players are better than those in TVs. The Integra Research has an Apogee unit built in and does a great job.
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