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• Thanks All for your opinions - I got the Sony 50we610 - vuman 09:45:44 06/05/04 (1)
  In Reply to: LCOS, DLP, or LCD recommendation posted by vuman on June 01, 2004 at 09:30:28:

  Hi all,

  I would like to thanks all. I finally got the Sony 50WE610. I have been gone back and forth to CC, Goodguys, bestbuy to watch and compare all these model, Sammy HLN5065W, Sony 50WE610, and Philips 977S. Somehow, I kept go back to the SONY. The picture so good and the color so nice, even with regular DirectTV digital signal.

  Here is what I found:

  1. Sony: good: Beutiful picture, detail, color, bright, but black
  level exceptable. Cost
  bad: Light bulb likely to survive only 2000hrs.
  (I actually trade off this 2000hrs to get good
  picture). Stupid stand cost

  2. Samsung: good: Detail, color, bright, black, 8000hrs light
  bulb. acceptable stand cost.
  bad: blurry picture with regular D signal, look good,
  headace when watching for a while, or while
  looking for some detail. Noisy fan even at the
  store, you can here it if you put your ears near
  the back. Cost.

  3. Philips LCOS: good: Bigger screen, 55", no pixle, look good,
  Light bulb 6000hrs. Smooth screen motion.
  Acceptable stand cost.
  bad: white wash, washout the entire screen
  detail, this is unacceptable.

  Thanks all again. Now more work for me to set it up.

  VP
  
  

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  • Good choice - Jon L 10:44:23 06/09/04 (0)
    In Reply to: Thanks All for your opinions - I got the Sony 50we610 posted by vuman on June 05, 2004 at 09:45:44:

    I have 60WE610 myself. Definitely get as much HD source as you can. True HD sources like Discovery HD, HD Net, HD NMV just are indescribable on my Sony at 1080i via DVI.

    Also pick up a nice DVI DVD player that upconverts to 1080i. I have the Zenith DVB318, but it does have a bit of white crush via DVI(which doesn't bother me much given the spectacular PQ), but you could pick up a Momitsu or the new Bravo D2..
    
    

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• I have a 50" Sony HD capable LCD RPTV and I love it ! - Paul in Sterling 07:55:58 06/05/04 (0)
  In Reply to: LCOS, DLP, or LCD recommendation posted by vuman on June 01, 2004 at 09:30:28:

  I also spent time looking at all the competetion. I think the consensus on the main issue with the LCD technology is the black levels as well. I don't have that complaint myself, I am very satisfied with the TV. DVDs look awesome, especially through the DVI at 720 P! I only have HDTV provided by my cable company and I don't think the cable company's performance in HDTV is up to snuff. It's good, but not great. I have seen way better on the same TV with other HDTV sources.

  I guess the real differentiator for me was no gambling on eye strain or rainbows *and* no burn in.

  Good Luck... Paul
  
  

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• Re: LCOS, DLP, or LCD recommendation - LarryI 08:42:43 06/03/04 (0)
  In Reply to: LCOS, DLP, or LCD recommendation posted by vuman on June 01, 2004 at 09:30:28:

  I've seen both the JVC and Philips LCOS sets. The Philips looked horrible. It had more rainbow effects than ANY DLP I've looked at. The JVC looked pretty good, but black level/shadow detail was inferior to DLP. This is no trivial matter; dark scenes on LCOS sets are a problem.

  I like most DLP sets with the HD-2 or HD-2+ chip, but the picture still looks a bit plastic and artificial compared to CRT sets. The Samsungs are quite a good deal, but the picture does not compare with more expensive sets like the SIMS set, for example. I understand that some manufacturers will be coming out with ultra-thin rear projection DLP sets (7" depth on a 50" set). My guess is that they will have to rely on a curved mirror. If depth is a concern, I would wait to see how these sets look.

  Good luck.
  
  

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• Re: LCOS, DLP, or LCD recommendation - townsend 07:43:42 06/02/04 (3)
  In Reply to: LCOS, DLP, or LCD recommendation posted by vuman on June 01, 2004 at 09:30:28:

  This a Joe Murphy question; and/or see extensive discussion at www.avsforum.com.

  But my two cents are:

  1) Rear projection LCD TVs suffer from dismal blacks. The best you'll get is gray . . .
  2) LCOS was launched and crash landed in 2003. If they fixed the bugs, more power to them. But it remains to be seen if LCOS offers anything that is competitive with other technologies.
  3) The Samsung DLP is (probably) the best of the rear projection technologies--by far IMO. You do have to sometimes live with a shimmering effect, but many are not distracted by this.

  Texas Instruments continues to improve the DLP technology, resulting in a better picture. There should be a new generation (is it third?) coming out later this year--if you can wait.

  regards, townsend
  
  

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  • Caution with DLP - Jon L 13:10:23 06/02/04 (2)
    In Reply to: Re: LCOS, DLP, or LCD recommendation posted by townsend on June 02, 2004 at 07:43:42:

    Before anyone buys the single-chip Samsung DLP, they absolutely must go to a store and watch the screen for as long as they can.

    My wife and myself both got eye/headaches after 10 minutes, and several of my relatives and friends reported the same thing. This is a somewhat frequent, known side effect of single-chip DLP on SOME people, but you don't want to find out AFTER you get it home...
    
    

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    • Re: Caution with DLP - AbeCollins 18:10:58 06/03/04 (1)
      In Reply to: Caution with DLP posted by Jon L on June 02, 2004 at 13:10:23:

      Must be a genetic thang. ;-) Seriously though, I'm glad you broght it up because I'm really leaning toward a new Samsung (next generation later this year). I'll be sure to bring my lawn chair and park myself in front of the screen for a good while before I make a final buying decision.
      
      

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      • Re: Caution with DLP - Hagenspiel 04:34:32 06/05/04 (0)
        In Reply to: Re: Caution with DLP posted by AbeCollins on June 03, 2004 at 18:10:58:

        I have owned a 61" Samsung DLP (gen 2) for about 3 months now. WOW! I am still in awe, and so is anyone who comes over to watch a movie, or some HD cable. The only time I have noticed some eye strain is after gaming on it, or using the PC mode for extended periods of time. I did camp out in the store when replacing my 60" standard rear projection, and it was the hands down winner against every other set I saw. There were many other reasons as well, besides the superior picture quality, that I settled on this display. It pedends on your needs, but as the center peice for my multi-media wired home, it was the only set that worked on ALL counts.

        Good Luck
        
        

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