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I am looking for my first HD set and am looking for a 1080P 40+ inch set. I see that the sets with SXRD technology comes in cheaper than the LCD XBR2. Apparently i see alot of fuss over the XBRs but not alot of noise about the SXRD technology. Reasons why?
My budget is <$2500...and i found that PCConnection sells the XBR2 for 2250.00.
I have pretty much ruled out Plasmas cause of relfection and power consumption...although a good arguement would make me reconsider.
thanks for your help. I come here rather infrequently for info(when a big purchase is being made) and everyone kindly helps me out on most occassions, so thanks.
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last year after looking for a long time. I thought the SXRD looked better, especially on fast action scenes like sports. The XBR was blurry and appeared to suffer from a lag-time type of effect. I noticed it quickly and couldn't get past it. The 50" SXRD was just under your price point. My version is the one with the speakers on the side and it does NOT accept a 1080p INPUT, but it will display 1080p. This seems to be a non-issue and I'm not concerned about it. DVDs and HD broadcasts look spectacular. Good luck and don't rush into a purchase.
http://www.hometheatermag.com/rearprojectiontvs/1105sony/
Hi thereXBR in the Sony model name does not refer to the technology of the display (SXRD = LCoS, Bravia = direct-view LCD). XBR is a top-of-line designator. XBR started with the CRT televisions; I had an early model, an XBR15.
Regards
I was referring to a standard LCD that Sony makes that was not as good as e SXRD. Sorry for the confusion. There are too many letters! As long as you think SXRD when looking at a Sony you will have the right one.
I have come across these two technologies while researching and am a bit intrigued. I came across the JVC HD56FN97, which is a 56" for $2250, 3 chip HD-ILA. It has 2 HDMI and 2 FireWire, which is good cause i do video work. Anyone know about the HD-ILA technology? I also read some a favorable tech report on LCoS from someone that posted a link here. It was compared very favorably with control room $45K CRT monitor sets used in studio settings.And, how do i know if a set takes in 1080P...that is never listed in teh specs. Only utput of 1080P is listed.
It's confusing, but they are identical. JVC calls it HD-ILA and Sony calls it SXRD. "LCoS" stands for Liquid Crystal on Silicon, essentially it means LCD technology without the drawbacks of "lag time" or the "screen door effect" that standard LCD displays have.
LCoS's technology requires that, i assume. Doesn't that make the XRB2s rear projection?
I saw that SOoy you recommended while browsing on the internet last night. I took not of it...
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i'll go and do a search.
Sony has the Pearl and Ruby (# VW1000P), which go for $5K and $10K repectively. I beleive JVC has some DILA projectors in the $20K+ range.
That's a bit out of my range, so I'm not 100% sure.
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Just now finding that out. I was amazed at the picture on a XRB2 that i saw at a Circuit City. kinda back where i started.
I need to find out if the XRB takes 1080P input.
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Sony-50-SXRD-LCD-Projection-HDTV-KDS50A2000/sem/rpsm/oid/150945/catOid/-12867/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do
Not pushing circuit city, just an example.
best buy/circuit city have them here locally. 2100 at BB, 2K at CC. BB said they price match...which is good cause they have 36 month financing opposed to 12 at CC.
of course, i guess with online purchase there would be no tax, right? Maybe i should order the set online from best buy and do the financing online via Best Buy. That's $250 there i'm saving.
If there is a Best Buy in your state, I believe they are obligated to charge you tax since they are doing same-state business with you.Most online vendor delivery charges for displays run from $150 - $300 (depending on weight, size of carton, etc). But even with shipping charges added to the price of an online non-state vendor purchase, it's still usually less expensive compared to the store price + tax (unless there's a special sale or clearance going on).
Again, it's not that big of an issue because the only current source that outputs a 1080p signal is a BluRay or HDDVD player. The internal scaler on the Sony SXRD is very good, and upscales a 1080i signal to a 1080p image very nicely.
They don't "upscale" 1080i to 1080p: they deinterlace 1080i to 1080p. Upscale generally means changing a lower resolution (ie, 480x720) to a higher one (ie, 1920x1080). Both 1080i and 1080p are 1920x1080 pixels, so there's no change in resolution.
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Using mathematical explanantions:Current LCD is 8bit (high end LCD will be 10 bit in next year )
PLasma is 10bit
SXRD is 12bit1 bit can show 2 kinds of color.
So 8 bit color show 256 kinds of color.2×2×2×2×2×2×2×2=256
Color is consisited of RGB.
So,calculation should be 256×256×256=16.7Million8 bit color display means able to show 16.7Million color on one display.
I think you can calculate 10 bit and 12bit color display in this way as a comparison. Supposedly, SXRD colour is more natural than LCD.
I think with Blu-ray now being released, having 1080p direct input is perhaps becoming important too.
it doesn't really matter, everything in the chain has to be using the same technology for a tv to take advantage of the additional colors. That means the cameras, the broadcasting companies, the disc players and the tv's. The new HDMI 1.3 specification allows up to 16 bits.
See my "there's a difference in technology" reply further down in this thread for how it works.
It depends on the manufacturer and the display's position in their lineup. Pioneer's Elite plasmas use at least 12-bit processing (for the last 2 years, I don't know what the specs are for this year's models) and today's Panasonic plasmas are using 16-bit processing. Of course, that doesn't mean you won't find the less expensive brands using 10-bit processing. By the way, all digital video content (cable, satellite, OTA, DVD, HDTV, HD DVD, Blu-ray, etc) is only encoded with 8-bit video.As for color accuracy, CRT is still considered the king. Plasma is second and the rest fight it out for the remaining positions. Plasma's delay/refresh time is only 2 milliseconds -- still the fastest.
While reflections on a plasma screen are still noticeable if there's plenty of light or open windows, several manufacturers have made progress in decreasing this issue with newer screen coatings and anti-reflective designs. They still have room for improvement, though.
I think i would enjoy the softer, less saturated colors that plasmas offer as opposed to the LCD's tendency to oversaturate and cause eye fatigue. Also, i watch a lot of sports and the LCDs might lag a bit in fast motion. BUT, i also know the plasmas have the reflection(does it reflect ANY light...even if diffused through a curtain or blinds that are shut?) and use a quite a bit more power. Also, not finding many 1080P plasmas over 40" that are in my price range.Should i also consider rear projection LCDs?
For plasma, if the curtains are closed, you won't have a problem with reflections. I think the reflection issue is overblown, but that's just me. Some people are obviously bothered by the slighest reflections. As for power useage, plasma has come a long way in the last few years. Today's Panasonic 9th gen plasmas use 40% less electricity than my 6th gen Panasonic (I believe the peak draw --continuous is obviously lower -- with the 50" is 375 watts).If you're going to get a Rear Projection display, you need to look at Sony/JVC LCoS displays and the newest DLP displays using LED technology (not the older lamp based DLP models). As for Rear Projection LCD, I wouldn't go that route. Bring some demo material to the store to audition the sets you are interested in and take your time researching, reading, auditioning and asking questions about them. The more you know and experience these displays, the better off you'll be when it gets to your home.
If I were buying a new display, there are definitely 2 things I would make sure about including: HDMI input (more than one if possible) that accepts a 1080p (not just 1080i) signal -- not all do -- and a display with 1920x1080 resolution (no wobbulation, an actual 2,073,600 pixels that can simultaneously appear on screen).
They are not the same as standard LCD displays. I would pay more attention to how the image looks to YOUR eye (from all sources) and less attention to the technology used to display the image. There really is no "best" type of display, so study the image and make sure of a return policy. Only you can decide what you like best.
Sony and JVC are using Liquid Crystal on Silicon (LCoS), which is a bit different than Liquid Crystal (LCD). It's still a "projected/transmissive" image via Rear Projection displays, but it isn't exactly the same technology.Here's an explanation (from 2003, but still useful re: this thread):
Hi thereLCoS is reflective (like DLP), rather than transmissive.
Regards
I actually knew that, but typed transmissive anyway. Must have been having a serious "duh!" moment...
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