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In Reply to: RE: yeah, just as bad as millions dying of aids posted by Analog Scott on October 17, 2010 at 18:26:59
Online social media is a relatively new phenomenon, so you should take an honest look at its sociological effects instead of just assuming it's the same as rock compared to jazz or Tarzan compared to Sherlock Holmes. We have a generation growing up unable to deal with each other face to face. They think reality is in a virtual world instead of in the real world. So now we have dates where people read from each other's online profiles instead of getting to know the other person. Meetings where people multitask on their handhelds instead of solve problems. The productivity lost and psychological effects will be hard to measure. And this site is not the problem, unless you think it's a gateway drug to others
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
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> > Online social media is a relatively new phenomenon,> >
As was Television, as was radio, as was printed books.....
> > so you should take an honest look at its sociological effects instead of just assuming it's the same as rock compared to jazz or Tarzan compared to Sherlock Holmes.> >
Take a look at the social effects? Do tell how does one actually do that? What I see are the same old tired arguments made by every generation leveled against the new generation. And yet each generation manages to survive.
> > We have a generation growing up unable to deal with each other face to face.> >
Yes and we had a previous generation with poisoned minds thankt to T.V. that were posessed by Satan thanks to rock and roll, hopelessly addicted to drugs thanks to jazz, poised to be serial killers thanks to video games and heavy metal. My point being none of it was actually true, including the idea that we have a generation that is unable to deal with each other face to face.
> > They think reality is in a virtual world instead of in the real world.> >
Right, and the previous generation was excessively violent because they thought TV was a blueprint for real life. The generation Xers were all suicidal because of grunge rock and video games made everyone into killers. Oh and pot kills. I know I saw refer madness.
> > So now we have dates where people read from each other's online profiles instead of getting to know the other person.> >
"Instead of?" Is this like phone sex?
> > Meetings where people multitask on their handhelds instead of solve problems. The productivity lost and psychological effects will be hard to measure.> >
Bingo! "hard to measure" And yet according to you we have an entire generation that can't communicate face to face and think the cyberworld is the real world. Sorry but this does look the same to me as every single generational paranoid concern from the past that amounted to nothing.
> > And this site is not the problem, unless you think it's a gateway drug to others > >
If ever there was something that would make me think there is a painful lack of social skills due to the internet it would be this forum and others like it. And there in lies the great irony of Vic's comments.
Look, nothing personal, I just think this is just garden variety generational bias. Every generation sees themselves as cultured and well heeled and the pillar of meaningful values of every sort and the next generation as dysfunctional degenerates that will bring down civilization.
> > ...it would be this forum and others like it < <Errrrr...have ya LOOKED at Facebook? Evidently not. This forum is a goldmine that puts you in touch with industry professionals and users with valuable input on gear, and related opinions. Facebook is an impersonal, horribly indexed timesink that devalues friendships and acts as a horrifying surrogate for interpersonal relationships for millions of people including the person who founded it, if you follow the movie.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
Edits: 10/17/10
Addicts are addicts, no matter that their fix is, and they do not respond to reason.Be it as it may, watching those people cross the streets with their eyes riveted to the device while holding their treasure with both hands is so ridiculous that any sense of lament for society degradation is being overpowered by sheer laughter of disbelief at their stupidity.
You know I am usually against the regulations... but in this case I am applauding the Delaware's new anti-handheld law. One idiot young female nearly collided with my car while texting - I am sure she was "communicating" with a minister at the very least... and a few minutes of delay would have great consequences.
Edits: 10/18/10
Does it stop anyone from texting? Nope.
And if you think about the first wireless telegraph being patented in 1897, we really haven't advanced very far in the past 100+ years, despite the great processing and band power at our disposal.
We obviously need a new breed of mobile device to enlighten the lemmings. ;-)
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
I can put this conclusion into the same catagory of eroneous fact on your part along with your assertions that this generation doesn't relate to people on a face to face basis and that they can't tell the difference between the real world and the cyber world.
No point in arguing about your eroneous fact.
"Facebook is an impersonal, horribly indexed timesink that devalues friendships and acts as a horrifying surrogate for interpersonal relationships for millions of people including the person who founded it, if you follow the movie."
I'd have to ask you if you have actually participated in Facebook? Because this is arguably the most inacurate description I have ever seen.
Interesting that you would think you actually know how a real world human being interacts with others based on how he was portrayed in a movie. And you were accusing this generation of failing to know the difference between the real world and the cyberworld? How about the real world and the movies? You do know the difference no?
So have you and Vic had a "face to face" since joining this forum?
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