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I knew the adapted screenplay would be ok, but the casting, direction and acting were more impressive. The story was actually the weak part, and the screenwriters had to cover up the boredom by having the characters hashing it out at a law firm...the rest was handled as extended flashback sequences. Overall we're short changed on the real deal. But we get enough of it for some good entertainment and enough of a taste of entrepreneurship to feel the excitement of developing something big from just an idea. In this case the something big is Facebook.com valued at $50 billion. It did a reasonable job with humor, avoiding campiness, and with the cliches of business, without being preachy. The very end was a nice touch. I won't give it away. I thought I would dislike this film, so maybe that's the best way to go into it.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
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the cataclysmic effect it has on its originator---- or at least, the one left standing after a bruising personal and legal war. The dialogue indeed is scintillating, up to the standards of some of the best from the golden age of film dialogue, the 40s. For once, Hollywood actors don't mumble inanities, but actually speak intelligently, quickly, and fiercely. What, you expected a guy with 1600s on his boards to speak like a sitcom idiot? Jesse Eisenberg is up to the task, a most difficult one, portraying a young man who defies any cliché, who eschews closeness of any sort.
Of course, there is some legal drama; hell, that's the point--- this isn't a Western, for God's sake, but rather a close-up dissection of what happens when "The Treasure of the Sierra Madre" is lived by Harvard undergrads--- though this isn't any group of gold nuggets at stake, but rather a creation potentially worth billions of dollars. This isn't settled by six-shooters, but rather Ivy League attorneys who attempt to portray their clients as heroes and the other(s) as monsters.
There are geniuses, giants of intelligence and visionaries, that walk among us. This film not only portrays several of those responsible for one of our societies greatest products, but also throws in a look at the man behind another, the precursor product known as Napster, and how he became a central player also in Facebook. Justin Timberlake gives an adequate performance as this young man, though he's no crossover artist, a la Sinatra; unfortunately, one can see his acting.
This is a very good film with many interesting undercurrents: Jewish outsider vs. Ivy League exclusivity; old money vs. upstart.
In the end, we don't know exactly who this young man is, what he wanted. Must we have our human beings reduced to simplicities?
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I really dislike his work, starting with the West Wing and continuing through this movie. People talking rapidly, always with a sarcastic edge that calls attention to the dialogue and its author. After 15 minutes of it, I'd had enough--but there were another two hours to go...
Claims of the downfall of civilization because of facebook...ON AN INTERNET FORUM......
When children need to be educated in the benefits of face-to-face interaction, you know we as a society have failed on some fundamental level.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
looks to me like the same lame ass crap that every generation levels against the new generation. Heck my dad was told by my grandfather that reading pulp fiction like Tarzan would rot his brains. What ever is new is evil and destructive and soon to be the cause of the downfall of civilization. T.V. rock and roll, jazz etc. I suppose pulp fiction was just as bad as polio?
Criticism of facebook on a an internet forum is kind of like crack heads gathering on the corner and discussing the dangers of drinking hard liquor.
I say we should blame heavy metal and video games. No no lets blame rap music and comic books. No lets blame the liberal media. No no no lets blame...wait what are we blaming facebook for again? Oh yeah, the fall of western civilization. I say blame Obama and kids watching The Three Stooges shorts on T.V. during the 70s.
Maybe the whiners need to be educated on 21st century technology.....
Online social media is a relatively new phenomenon, so you should take an honest look at its sociological effects instead of just assuming it's the same as rock compared to jazz or Tarzan compared to Sherlock Holmes. We have a generation growing up unable to deal with each other face to face. They think reality is in a virtual world instead of in the real world. So now we have dates where people read from each other's online profiles instead of getting to know the other person. Meetings where people multitask on their handhelds instead of solve problems. The productivity lost and psychological effects will be hard to measure. And this site is not the problem, unless you think it's a gateway drug to others
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
> > Online social media is a relatively new phenomenon,> >
As was Television, as was radio, as was printed books.....
> > so you should take an honest look at its sociological effects instead of just assuming it's the same as rock compared to jazz or Tarzan compared to Sherlock Holmes.> >
Take a look at the social effects? Do tell how does one actually do that? What I see are the same old tired arguments made by every generation leveled against the new generation. And yet each generation manages to survive.
> > We have a generation growing up unable to deal with each other face to face.> >
Yes and we had a previous generation with poisoned minds thankt to T.V. that were posessed by Satan thanks to rock and roll, hopelessly addicted to drugs thanks to jazz, poised to be serial killers thanks to video games and heavy metal. My point being none of it was actually true, including the idea that we have a generation that is unable to deal with each other face to face.
> > They think reality is in a virtual world instead of in the real world.> >
Right, and the previous generation was excessively violent because they thought TV was a blueprint for real life. The generation Xers were all suicidal because of grunge rock and video games made everyone into killers. Oh and pot kills. I know I saw refer madness.
> > So now we have dates where people read from each other's online profiles instead of getting to know the other person.> >
"Instead of?" Is this like phone sex?
> > Meetings where people multitask on their handhelds instead of solve problems. The productivity lost and psychological effects will be hard to measure.> >
Bingo! "hard to measure" And yet according to you we have an entire generation that can't communicate face to face and think the cyberworld is the real world. Sorry but this does look the same to me as every single generational paranoid concern from the past that amounted to nothing.
> > And this site is not the problem, unless you think it's a gateway drug to others > >
If ever there was something that would make me think there is a painful lack of social skills due to the internet it would be this forum and others like it. And there in lies the great irony of Vic's comments.
Look, nothing personal, I just think this is just garden variety generational bias. Every generation sees themselves as cultured and well heeled and the pillar of meaningful values of every sort and the next generation as dysfunctional degenerates that will bring down civilization.
> > ...it would be this forum and others like it < <Errrrr...have ya LOOKED at Facebook? Evidently not. This forum is a goldmine that puts you in touch with industry professionals and users with valuable input on gear, and related opinions. Facebook is an impersonal, horribly indexed timesink that devalues friendships and acts as a horrifying surrogate for interpersonal relationships for millions of people including the person who founded it, if you follow the movie.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
Edits: 10/17/10
Addicts are addicts, no matter that their fix is, and they do not respond to reason.Be it as it may, watching those people cross the streets with their eyes riveted to the device while holding their treasure with both hands is so ridiculous that any sense of lament for society degradation is being overpowered by sheer laughter of disbelief at their stupidity.
You know I am usually against the regulations... but in this case I am applauding the Delaware's new anti-handheld law. One idiot young female nearly collided with my car while texting - I am sure she was "communicating" with a minister at the very least... and a few minutes of delay would have great consequences.
Edits: 10/18/10
Does it stop anyone from texting? Nope.
And if you think about the first wireless telegraph being patented in 1897, we really haven't advanced very far in the past 100+ years, despite the great processing and band power at our disposal.
We obviously need a new breed of mobile device to enlighten the lemmings. ;-)
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
I can put this conclusion into the same catagory of eroneous fact on your part along with your assertions that this generation doesn't relate to people on a face to face basis and that they can't tell the difference between the real world and the cyber world.
No point in arguing about your eroneous fact.
"Facebook is an impersonal, horribly indexed timesink that devalues friendships and acts as a horrifying surrogate for interpersonal relationships for millions of people including the person who founded it, if you follow the movie."
I'd have to ask you if you have actually participated in Facebook? Because this is arguably the most inacurate description I have ever seen.
Interesting that you would think you actually know how a real world human being interacts with others based on how he was portrayed in a movie. And you were accusing this generation of failing to know the difference between the real world and the cyberworld? How about the real world and the movies? You do know the difference no?
So have you and Vic had a "face to face" since joining this forum?
Bummer...
good reviews from critics w/whom I often agree, i.e. The New Yorker's Anthony Lane. You aren't one of these guys that hate anything from Hollywood, no matter what, are you?
Hate it? I don't recall a movie I hated in a long time... but consider it garbage - yes.Frankly, I am tired of having to lower the plank every time I talk about Hollywood.
We are talking social promotion here.
Edits: 10/16/10
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
Although this thread seems to have descended into rancor, on the original subject...I had little expectation. The story itself has little drama. But the director threw his full arsenal at it, and he's quite skilled at this point, and there is almost no shot or scene that is not compelling to watch. Starting out with the conversation in the pub, which is complex, layered, total non-realistic movie speak, yet eminently watchable. A slight personal enjoyment, the tech speak was accurate and sensible ("then I had to use emacs to change the perl script.."). This was much better than I expected as well.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
For one thing, it's only October and a lot of heavy hitters come out during the holidays. And I wouldn't really know what Oscar voters might think anyway. My gut feeling would be this is not the kind of big movie favored by them.
sucker punching so many people to publicly expose information about themselves in such an open, un-erasable and easily retrievable manner. I would imagine there is going to be generation severely regretting their facebook exposure in the future.
I will stick to audio sites, I don't think anybody would hang me for that.
...excellent film.
Well acted, directed and paced with the attorney depostion scenes worked in throughout.
Probably a good view of what going to Harvard was like in 2003 or so.
Haven't been many good films out lately.
I'd give it 3 out of 4 stars.
That's good to hear. The first series of trailers with the choral version of Radio Head's "Creep" really got my attention. I'm a sucker for dramatic music. The subsequent trailers didn't have the same affect.
Anyhow, facebook is certainly a modern phenomenon. I can't get into it, but it's hard to imagine the present without it. It just seems to fit these cheesey times.
it doesn't quite fit the tenor and tone of the film. At an auspicious moment, the Beatles "Baby You're a Rich Man" is queued up. I found it the most effective piece of music for obvious reasons.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
Has comparable effect on mankind.
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nt
Lemme guess - you are on more than one of them...?
Likening the effect of facebook on society to the effect of aids is just so stupid that it has to come from geniune stupidity. Smart people will say stupid things from time to time. But something like this really goes beyond that. It takes genuine depth of ignorance and lack of thought to come up with that whopper.
Now since you have established your level of sheer stupidity let me explain something to you. My comparison of you and Hitler is meant to be an parody of the stupidity you displayed here in public.
Get it?
Thought not
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
Right again Jazz! ... Quentin Crisp, Idi Amin, Bin Laden, Jimmy the Greek, George Bush, Al Campanis, Oliver Stone...
Oh? People dying from Facebook ? That's news.
I think he means it in its stifling effect on meeting and dating people in the real world (as opposed to the online virtual world) and its virulence which does indeed infect anyone it contacts.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
I don't belong to any of those social groups, or whatever the proper term for that idiocy is.
Congratulations on your *43,015* posts on the Film Asylum.
-NT
...youth.
Clearly not you.
Some schools are having programs to teach kids how to interact face-to-face.
Apparently that is no longer normal behavior these days.
If you look on Mark Zuckerberg's linkedin page he describes himself as "making society more open". He made society more *something* but I don't think open is the right word.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
He is not really significant, if not him, someone else would have developed it.
Just one more step towards Bradbury's world.
I wonder what you would think of the product I'm trying to develop.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
There's great leeway with regards to earning living... :)
But if evolution was truth, then in few years mankind would be nothing but ugly creatures with wide flat asses and two huge thumbs, with Spandex instead of skin.
measurably do have much more enormous asses. No word yet on thumbs.....
We all have been waiting for that moment of truth!
I'm gonna miss nice rounded asses. What happens to tits?
...apparently so many show other parts on it?
Titbook might be more appropriate.
"Titbook" ... Victor-again, your complete overview and understanding into the full application and potential of Facebook are invaluable. How long did you research Facebook before sharing your superior insights? Obviously you NEVER write opinions based on vague impressions rooted in ignorance and laziness.
Small, insecure minds.
Edits: 10/14/10
Hardly a personal attack. You seem to have some very strong opinions on Facebook. Based on what?
I wonder if *you* see the irony of your criticism of Facebook presented on an internet forum? It seems to be lost on a few others.
"It is always like that".. Yes. Because digging through your pathetic gobbledygook is both laughable and insufferable.
nt
if survives, just in few hundreds of thousands of years the homo-sapiens will be highly advanced being, spiritually* and intellectually.
*not religious, but highly ethical, compassionate creature that will peacefully coexist with other beings, and will harness but not abuse nature for the benefits of all.
Most humans, are just contributing in the numbers - and out of pure mathematics few will emerge superior who will hopefully pass their genes to further generations.
Consider yourself - just a 'filler.; along with billions of others.
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Hmmm...I'm not sure where you live, but out here in California everyone who shouldn't be having kids is having dozens and those who should be having kids pump out maybe one or two, if that.
Doesn't bode well for the future.
And how can you be spiritually advanced if you're interfacing with a mobile device or laptop instead of the person sitting right in front of you. Not good.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
nt
Anyone remember Walkmen?
One thing's for sure - it ain't getting any better.
"Marshall McLuhan, (1911-80) gained fame in the 1960s with his prophetic proposal that electronic media, especially television, were creating a “global village” in which “the medium is the message,” i.e., the means of communications has a greater influence on people than the information itself. See Understanding Media: The Extensions of Man (1964)."
This guy predicted that the "age of lecture" in which people listened and learned was ending and that the "age of dialog" in which everyone has the ability to discuss, regardless of whether they should or not, is leading us back to a tribal existence.
McLuhan had a cameo in Annie Hall. I believe he was standing in line at a movie theater.
I think "age of dialogue" is the term McLuhan used. I'm no expert on his writings but I've read that in his time he was criticized for not making judgments. I think age of dialogue may be a non-judgmental way of saying nobody shuts up and listens anymore, or everyone speaks up merely because they have the means or ability to do so which fits with his overall "media is the message" theme.
For example, the existence of Facebook or Myspace says more substantively than the people who use it. The existence of blogs says more than the people who blog. The existence of a forum such as this one says more than its participants. The existence of a talkshow exposing people's personal lives or a reality show like The Biggest Loser says more substantively than the participants ever will. If you agree, then it's up to you to decide whether these things are good or bad. If you disagree, then you may conclude that a particular medium is simply the means by which the real message is conveyed and the viewer/reader/listener/participant's focus should be on that message.
However, I don't think it's so cut and dry or either bad or good. The existence of media such as facebook and myspace is a bigger message to me than anything the people who use it could say. I think differently about film, music and some tv. Print media has been used effectively but it's dying.
...to think, to be able to put meaning in the communication. Anyone who has ever seen typical streams of verbal garbage will confirm that. Easily today 99.99% of all "communication" is just worthless junk, taking away the time and energy of its participants. Relentless texting leaves no room for meditation, thought, doubts. Writing a letter (or even typing it) promoted a thought simply because it took more time to do it.
Great quote, thank you!
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