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In Reply to: RE: "Casino Jack," "Barney's Version." Enough with the Jewish stuff, already. Do we not posted by tinear on March 06, 2011 at 18:57:57
Did you have indigestion?
Haven't seen either movie, and quite honestly, I probably never will. From reading reviews it sounds like Barney's Version is weak, especially on plot, with some redeeming performances. As the protagonist's 3 marriages figure large in what plot there is, why get upset over "Mazel tov"?! The film is based on a very well regarded book, but like many of its ilk, the screen adpatation doesn't surpass (or even get close to) the quality of the page.
In Casino Jack, it sounds like the filmmakers attempted to tell a very complicated story of political greed and chicanery and couldn't pull it off (no Charlie Wilson's War, this). There's still a fascinating story to be told in this material, with either Abramoff or DeLay at the center. Maybe someone some day will do it better. Probably not, alas.
There is a lot of Jewish culture woven into the fabric of American life and that's fine with me (a shiksa BTW). A great deal of American humor is surely based on it, and where would American popular song be without master Jewish songwriters? (Not to mention African Americans, my God, there's a scary thought.)
I'm happy to entertain any type of ethnicity in my entertainment if the movie itself is good - it's a proper subject or subtext for a film as long as it says something about being human.
Why not just admit you picked some bad movies that incidentally feature Jewish characters?
How about some seriously good Israeli movies, like those by Eran Riklis - Lemon Tree and The Syrian Bride - who has a new one coming out very soon (The Human Resource Director) that's supposed to be excellent.
Bad is bad and mediocre is mediocre - the ethnicity doesn't have anything intrinsic to do with that.
Take some bicarbonite.
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You can say the same about Italian, Irish, Latino.... but are we continuously bombarded with stories from those ethnicities?
No.
Ask yourself why.
Do so honestly.
WHAT then IS your point? The Jews are taking over the entertainment industry??? SERIOUSLY...how is the US release calendar overwhelmed with Jewish stories??
This I gotta hear.
But we do get MANY more than of any other ethnicity. Get the difference?
Now, go ahead and argue that our culture is any way more enamored, in general, of Jewish culture than it is of Irish, Italian, or Latino. Next, argue that studio heads have no relationship to this phenomenon.
You may also wish to consider that mentioning something about ethnicity can be racial w/out being racist.
From 1619 until 1865, the US legally practiced slavery. Millions perished in the journey here, alone. How many stories feature this? I can think of one.
Contrast that with the Holocaust industry. Every year, we get several films about it. This, of course, doesn't occur in a vacuum. Israel is vastly unpopular, throughout the world, for its treatment of the Palestinians. In the Abramoff film, the principal raised funding from wealthy individuals by referring to Israel as a last refuge, implying that Jews now had a place to escape to should another pogrom occur.
Is it unfair or racist to imagine that people that live in constant fear should use everything in their power to assuage it? Rather, it would be unreasonable NOT to do so.
But I like to point out propaganda when I see it.
To constantly be implying racism in discussing sensitive subjects is ipso facto an attempt to censure discussion. I'd argue that's un-American.
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