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have any other ethnicities in this country?
Both WAY over the top performances, too.
Jack Abramoff: an unsavory character; the film argues that a guy who was scum and a guy whose associates sometimes ended up whacked by the Mafia was an innocent, just a tad too greedy. Colossal bullshit.
"Barney's Version:" why did this guy's life seem to be interesting enough for a film? It isn't.
And enough with the Jewish weddings, the endless repetitions of, "Mazel tov!" The clichés that should have died with Benny Youngman.
Just being Jewish isn't a plot. Or interesting. Or funny.
How many films about Arab-Americans do we get, domestically? How about any other ethnicities?
If Hollywood isn't dominated by one religious sect, it certainly appears to be. It's one year-round circle of propaganda.
Why not a film about Tom DeLay? He was a far more interesting character.
Neither of these films is good. Actually, they're both lousy, for many of the same reasons.
Kevin Spacy and Giamatti don't let ONE chance to chew scenery pass. Gnaw, gnaw, gnaw for 2-plus hours, each. Neither have plots.
I should have seen, "The King's Speech," again and not wasted my time and money on these idiotic films.
Shame on the principal actors. They're both better than this.
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Did you have indigestion?
Haven't seen either movie, and quite honestly, I probably never will. From reading reviews it sounds like Barney's Version is weak, especially on plot, with some redeeming performances. As the protagonist's 3 marriages figure large in what plot there is, why get upset over "Mazel tov"?! The film is based on a very well regarded book, but like many of its ilk, the screen adpatation doesn't surpass (or even get close to) the quality of the page.
In Casino Jack, it sounds like the filmmakers attempted to tell a very complicated story of political greed and chicanery and couldn't pull it off (no Charlie Wilson's War, this). There's still a fascinating story to be told in this material, with either Abramoff or DeLay at the center. Maybe someone some day will do it better. Probably not, alas.
There is a lot of Jewish culture woven into the fabric of American life and that's fine with me (a shiksa BTW). A great deal of American humor is surely based on it, and where would American popular song be without master Jewish songwriters? (Not to mention African Americans, my God, there's a scary thought.)
I'm happy to entertain any type of ethnicity in my entertainment if the movie itself is good - it's a proper subject or subtext for a film as long as it says something about being human.
Why not just admit you picked some bad movies that incidentally feature Jewish characters?
How about some seriously good Israeli movies, like those by Eran Riklis - Lemon Tree and The Syrian Bride - who has a new one coming out very soon (The Human Resource Director) that's supposed to be excellent.
Bad is bad and mediocre is mediocre - the ethnicity doesn't have anything intrinsic to do with that.
Take some bicarbonite.
You can say the same about Italian, Irish, Latino.... but are we continuously bombarded with stories from those ethnicities?
No.
Ask yourself why.
Do so honestly.
WHAT then IS your point? The Jews are taking over the entertainment industry??? SERIOUSLY...how is the US release calendar overwhelmed with Jewish stories??
This I gotta hear.
But we do get MANY more than of any other ethnicity. Get the difference?
Now, go ahead and argue that our culture is any way more enamored, in general, of Jewish culture than it is of Irish, Italian, or Latino. Next, argue that studio heads have no relationship to this phenomenon.
You may also wish to consider that mentioning something about ethnicity can be racial w/out being racist.
From 1619 until 1865, the US legally practiced slavery. Millions perished in the journey here, alone. How many stories feature this? I can think of one.
Contrast that with the Holocaust industry. Every year, we get several films about it. This, of course, doesn't occur in a vacuum. Israel is vastly unpopular, throughout the world, for its treatment of the Palestinians. In the Abramoff film, the principal raised funding from wealthy individuals by referring to Israel as a last refuge, implying that Jews now had a place to escape to should another pogrom occur.
Is it unfair or racist to imagine that people that live in constant fear should use everything in their power to assuage it? Rather, it would be unreasonable NOT to do so.
But I like to point out propaganda when I see it.
To constantly be implying racism in discussing sensitive subjects is ipso facto an attempt to censure discussion. I'd argue that's un-American.
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Most cities have them, year after year, sometimes biannually, and they get a lot of press from, well, the press. A thought experiment: How far would a Christian Film Festival get, in the entertainment pages? Or an Arab-Semitic Film Festival? Or (ha!) a White Film Festival?
P.A.
What are you talking about? There are hispanic film festivals, black film festivals, Polish film festivals, Italian film festivals. You display a lot of ignorance in lashing out at Jewish film festivals, as these types of things are organized for every ethnicity, region, race and creed.
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"Lashing out"? LOL. A person makes a simple, truthful statement and look what happens.
The point, perhaps deliberately missed, is that the entertainment industry is pretty much in jewish hands (don't even try to deny it, see the bragging link below, and many others) as well as the entertainment press. And that's why the idea of an organized and publicized Iranian or Christian (inter alia) film festival becomes so amusingly unlikely, yet goads certain people into excessive verbal retaliation when you say so.
Hispanic festivals, sure, they're okay.
P.A.
***How far would a Christian Film Festival get, in the entertainment pages? Or an Arab-Semitic Film Festival? Or (ha!) a White Film Festival?
Well, lesse... being a non-religious, non-Catholic, non-Jewish, non-Arab none of those would bother me. What is your objection to any of them?
Back in old days I remember attending French Film Festival, American Film Festival and that did not bother me none.
As long as I am not forced to participate that does not concern me. I don't know how far a White Film Festival would get in the entertainment pages, but I suspect it would be all over front pages of many papers.
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Edits: 02/27/18
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writing: sucked
acting: sucked
direction: sucked
mocking rabbis and Jewish rites: check
creepy existential threat symbolism: check
any redeeming value whatsoever: nyet
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bunker for the intellectually bankrupt.
you're like an exploding political haggis.
...you see, if other (minority) ethnic groups don't speak about them and their history, somebody else will.
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So you have an issue with too many Jewish films? Guess what - Jewish humor and folklore sells, that is why they are making such films. I, OTOH, pick which movies I want to see, I don't just watch every piece of dreck that comes our way from Hollywood... you can do the same.
Stay with Irish films... chances are they will say Mazel Tov less often. Or the Chinese ones, for that matter. We all have choices.
OTOH, I suspect there are more films where some Italians munch on their pasta and say "mama" all too often... and besides - what did they give us besides the meatballs and organized crime? Yet there movies are overwhelmingly numerous - does that bother you?
Furthermore... you play very strange association game. They say Jewish, you say Arab... as if there were no other associations. How about - 200 Nobel Prize winners? Or Vladimir Horowitz? Heck, some symphony orchestra's musicians lists read like Tel Aviv phone book... so I think we all should stop listening to that Jewish music... who knows, maybe some of them mumble Yiddish words while playing?
So - why just Arab films? I am sure there are some folks from Shruzumbe who wish to be in the movies...
the media a lot and I think that segment of the American population could use a bit of exposure. Now, I DO have a major problem with Hollywood's portrayals of Italians. Invariably, they're Mafia-related. You don't think this has a carry-over effect to the general public? I similarly have issues with how the Irish are portrayed: has there been a film set in Boston since "Love Story" that didn't have characters both Irish and gangster?
In these particular instances, I fell victim to early reports of great performances in the key roles. Since both Spacey and Giamatti have done very good work in the past, I "bit."
And I got bit in the butt.
Regarding the ethnicity of films: I'd respectfully disagree; the large amount of control by one group has influenced the incredible number. Let's count how many Holocaust films appear this year. I don't think too many of them have been successful the past decade, but still they come rolling out. Perhaps that Daniel Craig film in the forest that twisted history so badly made some money. I don't know.
Anyhow, avoid the two films I mentioned. Poor writing, boring stories, completely forgettable performances.
I don't know why they make films that lose money - Jewish or otherwise. What I know is when I go to the On Demand, I see hundreds of titles I have never heard and most likely never will. The number of one-and-under one star films on Netflix is also amazing - I have only seen very few of them for the learning experience sake, and they left me dumbfounded - they are so bad they defy any logic - and yet someone put their money behind them!
Yes, many ethnic cliche' out there, some funny, some not, what to do about it? Subtlety and good humor are not exactly the words normally associated with American film production. So once they found the hammer that works, they keep using it. I somewhat agree on endless portrayal of Jewish weddings, usually shown as if no one has seen it yet - there should be more clever ways of doing it.
and I would like to run the story by you have you meat a few members of the cast. We could meet at a hotel suite near you, if you'd like.
...while cleaning my guns.
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