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WTF yourself. You made a big point about how those 3-4 scenes created a character "terrifying tragic and real"

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In Reply to: RE: The truth of a character's speech affects the quality of the performance???? WTF! posted by tinear on March 16, 2013 at 08:27:13

There was nothing "terrifying, tragic or real" about it except the danger the joker symbolized as an agent of chaos and violence. The performance was meant to be gripping, more in the vein of Jeff Goldblum as The Fly than in the previous incarnations of joker.
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So you admit a truth-test for an actor's speech is bullshit. The Joker by Ledger is - tinear 10:42:27 03/16/13 (19)
absolutely real, that's why he's not a subject of laughter as was Nicholson's buffoon.
Ledger took a comic book character who's always been portrayed as rather silly and goofy and made him a true villain, a lunatic with an unknown background who may or may not be aware that he has created a changing history of abuse and disfigurement.
The reactions of the "normal" gangsters, so well orchestrated by Nolan, perfectly encapsulated our feelings; at first, derision ("freak!"), and then terror as they realized that he might well not be as "crazy" as he appeared. That, in fact, his persona was camouflage.
- No I admit you obviously weren't paying attention to the script - Jazz Inmate 11:09:49 03/16/13 (18)
  Obviously Ledger's joker is a totally different animal than Nicholson (in the same way that Bale's Wayne/Batman is a totally different animal than Keaton, but that's because Nolan was fleshing out these characters beyond a cartoon. And Ledger maintained some of the silliness and goofiness of the character--that was part of the performance.
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  - Blah, blah, blah. The truth in the Joker's speech hardly matters; it's part of his persona, as I explained. - tinear 12:10:49 03/16/13 (17)
    Your answer is just obvious to anyone that's seen the film. Ledger's performance is different in a dramatic sense. As I said (do you blot out meaning because of a rush to argue?), he elevated the character by the consummate skill he showed in his complex portrayal. Is he truly crazy, more so than anyone that cruelly has been disfigured? Is his destructiveness rooted in his childhood, his trauma, or is he one of those fellows Caine described as nihilistic, that they just like to see things destroyed? Or both?
    His lying is a key part of his character. Again, does he believe it or not---- that's a fascinating discussion, but several bridges too far for you.
    - Hey, maybe you two love birds can argue about who was more important, Frodo or Samwise. - Enophile 15:39:15 03/16/13 (16)
      Ledger is a fine choice, and so is Bardem.
      
      Both actors made their characters 'true,' which is why they are so memorable!
      
      Point to Tin.
      - so you think Joker was the greatest performance in 10 years? - Jazz Inmate 15:45:54 03/16/13 (15)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Hey, maybe you two love birds can argue about who was more important, Frodo or Samwise. posted by Enophile on March 16, 2013 at 15:39:15
        
        As aggressive as your vendetta against me may be, I don't think you want to back tin on this one.
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        We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
        
        If you care to read the post, I said both are fine picks. You dipshits think 'art' is a zero sum contest. - Enophile 16:17:15 03/16/13 (14)
        
        In Reply to: RE: so you think Joker was the greatest performance in 10 years? posted by Jazz Inmate on March 16, 2013 at 15:45:54
        
        I wouldn't care if someone said Mickey Rourke in The Wrestler or Robert Downey Jr. as Ironman!
        
        It's kinda up to the indivdual viewer.
        
        Parsing the difference between Bardem's or Ledger's work in either movie is fine....so long as some dipshit fanboy doesn't need to insist one performance 'beat' the other.
        
        I thought Bardem and Ledger (and Rourke and Downey) both filled their roles prefectly!
        
        Please continue your folie a deux with Tin.
        
        That wasn't my pick for best. It was just one example to show the inanity of the Ledger proclamation - Jazz Inmate 23:26:38 03/16/13 (7)
        
        In Reply to: RE: If you care to read the post, I said both are fine picks. You dipshits think 'art' is a zero sum contest. posted by Enophile on March 16, 2013 at 16:17:15
        
        There are many others but I was staying in the villain vein.
        
        If your point is that you don't have any opinion on the matter, then just sit it out and let those of us who found tin to have taken leave of his senses to tell him so. Several did--not just me. Your fanboy comment was bizarre. If you believed that you clearly would be replying to tin same way the rest of us did in the thread. Nice try though.
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        Funny, you attack the Ledger performance then equate it to an excellent one by Bardem. - tinear 09:34:40 03/17/13 (6)
        
        In Reply to: RE: That wasn't my pick for best. It was just one example to show the inanity of the Ledger proclamation posted by Jazz Inmate on March 16, 2013 at 23:26:38
        
        Get your points right, angry man.
        
        No, eno equated them. I cited Anton Sigur as one example that rendered moot your proclamation - Jazz Inmate 21:24:02 03/17/13 (5)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Funny, you attack the Ledger performance then equate it to an excellent one by Bardem. posted by tinear on March 17, 2013 at 09:34:40
        
        Learn to read. Then learn to analyze films.
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        I mistook you for someone with taste, i.e. eno. I'd love to know your favorite acting performances. Go ahead. - tinear 07:48:54 03/18/13 (4)
        
        In Reply to: RE: No, eno equated them. I cited Anton Sigur as one example that rendered moot your proclamation posted by Jazz Inmate on March 17, 2013 at 21:24:02
        
        You can stray from the dark side, too.
        
        My favorites include The Third Man, Taxi Driver, Marathon Man, Barton Fink NT - Jazz Inmate 16:21:02 03/18/13 (3)
        
        In Reply to: RE: I mistook you for someone with taste, i.e. eno. I'd love to know your favorite acting performances. Go ahead. posted by tinear on March 18, 2013 at 07:48:54
        
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        Wrong time frame, Jazz. nt - tinear 07:41:22 03/22/13 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: My favorites include The Third Man, Taxi Driver, Marathon Man, Barton Fink NT posted by Jazz Inmate on March 18, 2013 at 16:21:02
        
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        If you ask a more specific question you might get a more specific answer - Jazz Inmate 16:49:03 03/22/13 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Wrong time frame, Jazz. nt posted by tinear on March 22, 2013 at 07:41:22
        
        Not that I'm terribly motivated to answer your questions.
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        Maybe it's time for a top ten list thread! * - Enophile 18:17:40 03/18/13 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: My favorites include The Third Man, Taxi Driver, Marathon Man, Barton Fink NT posted by Jazz Inmate on March 18, 2013 at 16:21:02
        
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        Exactamente, it's relative. There is no 'Best' performance - Tony D. 21:15:18 03/16/13 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: If you care to read the post, I said both are fine picks. You dipshits think 'art' is a zero sum contest. posted by Enophile on March 16, 2013 at 16:17:15
        
        and letting ego and obsession define ones perceptions of Art is evidence of immaturiy .
        
        J.B.
        
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        I didn't choose a best. Tin did. I simply pointed out the inanity of his choice - Jazz Inmate 23:29:00 03/16/13 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Exactamente, it's relative. There is no 'Best' performance posted by Tony D. on March 16, 2013 at 21:15:18
        
        Which is exactly what you and eno did using different verbiage.
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        You cannot seem ever to differentiate. I agreed Bardem is a fine choice. - tinear 17:24:37 03/16/13 (3)
        
        In Reply to: RE: If you care to read the post, I said both are fine picks. You dipshits think 'art' is a zero sum contest. posted by Enophile on March 16, 2013 at 16:17:15
        
        You're a prize.
        
        No reason to differentiate. You're the kind of guy who would argue in favor of having a favorite kid. - Enophile 19:22:55 03/16/13 (2)
        
        In Reply to: RE: You cannot seem ever to differentiate. I agreed Bardem is a fine choice. posted by tinear on March 16, 2013 at 17:24:37
        
        Mickey Rourke in Expendables I was also a terrific performance.
        
        ;D
        
        I'd give it to Mickey for Barfly. NT - Poles Apart 11:57:46 03/17/13 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: No reason to differentiate. You're the kind of guy who would argue in favor of having a favorite kid. posted by Enophile on March 16, 2013 at 19:22:55
        
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        Of course I'd argue in favorite of having a favorite kid. - tinear 09:32:28 03/17/13 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: No reason to differentiate. You're the kind of guy who would argue in favor of having a favorite kid. posted by Enophile on March 16, 2013 at 19:22:55
        
        I have exactly one.
        Mickey's only very good performance was in "Body Heat."

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