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• Fine art definition in this country has been whittled down to static displays. - free.ranger 08:06:12 11/14/14 (0)
  In Reply to: RE: Poll: how many here think film is an art form, that it can attain the heights of posted by tinear on November 13, 2014 at 08:51:22

  Film, much like writing, involving story progression, is seen as art by those making it. Those viewing or reading are entertained by the story. If they like the presentation of the story, they say it is good or entertaining -- not praising it as fine art.
  
  This is all aside from the settings and lighting aspects of the creation.
  
  

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• "I'd also imagine most guys think movies only and best purpose is entertainment?"... - musetap 21:51:29 11/13/14 (1)
  In Reply to: RE: Poll: how many here think film is an art form, that it can attain the heights of posted by tinear on November 13, 2014 at 08:51:22

  What do you imagine about the gals POV?
  
  
  "Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
  

  
  
  

  
  
  
  

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  • Dunno, none come here so why address them? nt - tinear 07:41:36 11/14/14 (0)
    In Reply to: RE: "I'd also imagine most guys think movies only and best purpose is entertainment?"... posted by musetap on November 13, 2014 at 21:51:29

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• Tree of Life or Ernast goes to Washington...let's see what... - Mark Man 18:28:57 11/13/14 (0)
  In Reply to: RE: Poll: how many here think film is an art form, that it can attain the heights of posted by tinear on November 13, 2014 at 08:51:22

  Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy has to say on the definition of art...
  
  OR
  
  Maybe it is just too subjective...
  
  Thanks
  Mark
  
  

  • http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/art-definition/   (Open in New Window)

  
  

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• Why can't it be both? - Audiophilander 12:07:41 11/13/14 (13)
  In Reply to: RE: Poll: how many here think film is an art form, that it can attain the heights of posted by tinear on November 13, 2014 at 08:51:22

  From an creative standpoint (acting, scripting, direction) all film is serious because it's a business conducted within the framework of a collaborative process. From the production side of the equation you're always trying to reach a broader audience while working under the constraints of time and budget.

  In that context, there is no difference between serious film & entertainment. It's all about expectations. Most dramatic and comedic films are produced to entertain, regardless of whether the creator's goals are cerebral (thought provoking) or tapping into something more instinctive.

  IOW, grey pompon or Frenches, ...it's all mustard.
  

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  • grey pompon or Frenches, ...it's all mustard....nice... - Mark Man 18:44:40 11/13/14 (12)
    In Reply to: RE: Why can't it be both? posted by Audiophilander on November 13, 2014 at 12:07:41

    AuPh...
    
    Hey I really enjoyed your link to your web series, I want to see more, but I lost the link...
    If you get a chance, could you forward it to me please via email...
    thanks
    Mark
    
    
    

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    • Will do, Mark. - Audiophilander 00:15:09 11/14/14 (0)
      In Reply to: RE: grey pompon or Frenches, ...it's all mustard....nice... posted by Mark Man on November 13, 2014 at 18:44:40

      I'll send you a direct link to Geek & Sundry's YouTube channel (they're airing all six episodes).
      
      If anyone else is interested in viewing the series, I added the link in a post last week thanking folks for support.
      
      Cheers,
      AuPh
      
      
      

      • BTW, here's the IMDB for the series...   (Open in New Window)

      
      

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    • He's been honing that line for the last 12 years. - Victor Khomenko 19:02:13 11/13/14 (10)
      In Reply to: RE: grey pompon or Frenches, ...it's all mustard....nice... posted by Mark Man on November 13, 2014 at 18:44:40

      Ever since he fell in mad love with LoTR.
      

      
      
      
      

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      • By far, I prefer this... - Audiophilander 23:26:02 11/13/14 (1)
        In Reply to: RE: He's been honing that line for the last 12 years. posted by Victor Khomenko on November 13, 2014 at 19:02:13

        

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        and I'm still of the opinion that LoTR is excellent entertainment, but everyone's mileage varies.
        I'll concede that Peter Jackson's efforts since filming the first Tolkien series have fallen short, so at least we can agree on that.
        

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        • You should try some real mustard - Victor Khomenko 05:39:18 11/14/14 (0)
          In Reply to: RE: By far, I prefer this... posted by Audiophilander on November 13, 2014 at 23:26:02

          There are kinds that make your eyes pop out.
          
          Those LoTR battles have the taste of long bygone days... unfortunately. We were all much younger then!
          
          Even Patrick... :(
          

          
          
          
          

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      • I still enjoyed here for the first time... - Mark Man 19:26:09 11/13/14 (7)
        In Reply to: RE: He's been honing that line for the last 12 years. posted by Victor Khomenko on November 13, 2014 at 19:02:13

        But I hate LoTR...Give me Ian Mckellen's Richard III...
        
        thanks
        Mark
        
        Ps. My last comment on Spielberg...his hair was going the way of the Donald...see Concert for Valor on HBO...
        

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        • McKellen indeed was terrific. I still have a hard time understanding how grown men can enjoy - tinear 07:44:03 11/14/14 (0)
          In Reply to: RE: I still enjoyed here for the first time... posted by Mark Man on November 13, 2014 at 19:26:09

          stuff like LoTR, Star Wars, Star Trek, etc.
          It all seems so… silly.
          

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        • agreed - Jazz Inmate 20:04:31 11/13/14 (5)
          In Reply to: RE: I still enjoyed here for the first time... posted by Mark Man on November 13, 2014 at 19:26:09

          LotR was kaka. Now there's a popcorn flick. Elf surfing down stairway while counting how many orcs he kills.
          

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          • RE: agreed - Mark Man 20:52:23 11/13/14 (4)
            In Reply to: RE: agreed posted by Jazz Inmate on November 13, 2014 at 20:04:31

            I am more mad at Jackson for the POS King Kong with Jack Black...there is 3+ hours I will never get back...
            
            My girlfriend and I went to it with actual "expectations" of a potential good film...it was soooo long and soooo bad, we were laughing when we were walking out, saying we are going to recommend this to people we don't like...
            
            Then, when it came out with an EXTENDED version on DVD...we laughed harder...who do we hate enough to buy this as a gift for??!!??
            
            Thanks
            Mark
            
            
            

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            • All I could think was... - musetap 21:54:28 11/13/14 (3)
              In Reply to: RE: agreed posted by Mark Man on November 13, 2014 at 20:52:23

              How the FOOK do you make King Kong BORING?!?!?
              
              Peter Jackson is a farce of a film maker.
              
              
              "Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
              

              
              
              

              
              
              
              

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              • Peter Jackson's main problem... - Jazz Inmate 10:50:51 11/14/14 (2)
                In Reply to: RE: All I could think was... posted by musetap on November 13, 2014 at 21:54:28

                ...he can't direct human beings in such a way as to portray real relationships or character development or even feelings. I think he has trouble understanding the actors he works with. It's easier for him to manage the more technical aspects of the film like special effects and sets, and therefore he is always relying on ploys and gimmicks. I think this bothers some people like auph less than it bothers me, but the weak attempts at humor, e.g., with Gimli burping and whining were beyond obnoxious and the hobbits-in-the-bed scene at the end of Return of the King was just silly.
                

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                • Interstellar has ZERO emotional intensity. NO real relationship is developed or portrayed. nt - tinear 19:42:24 11/16/14 (1)
                  In Reply to: RE: Peter Jackson's main problem... posted by Jazz Inmate on November 14, 2014 at 10:50:51

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                  • I was weeping like a baby - Jazz Inmate 21:22:28 11/16/14 (0)
                    In Reply to: RE: Interstellar has ZERO emotional intensity. NO real relationship is developed or portrayed. nt posted by tinear on November 16, 2014 at 19:42:24

                    How do you figure no real relationship was developed or portrayed? The film very carefully and convincingly built the relationship between Coop and Murph, including his call to duty and her resentment that he would leave. This kind of thing commonly plays out between father and daughters. Slowly, it went full circle when Coop came to the realization that he ought not have left and could only witness his daughter from behind a library of books, a hugely symbolic visual not just for the relationship between Coop and Murph but for the divide from generation to generation as humanity trudges onward. Frankly you have to be a brainless, gutless, emotionless corps to watch this film and not get something profound out of it.
                    

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• It would be silly - Awe-d-o-file 11:59:42 11/13/14 (0)
  In Reply to: RE: Poll: how many here think film is an art form, that it can attain the heights of posted by tinear on November 13, 2014 at 08:51:22

  for film not to be included in what is referred to as "the arts". I see no need to fine tune it more than that.
  
  
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• Film can be an art form... - Eldragon 10:50:30 11/13/14 (0)
  In Reply to: RE: Poll: how many here think film is an art form, that it can attain the heights of posted by tinear on November 13, 2014 at 08:51:22

  
  ...in it's own class. The way photography is.
  nothing is more boring than the truth - bukowski
  
  

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• Which music? Madonna? Some primitive tribal dance? - Victor Khomenko 09:55:05 11/13/14 (5)
  In Reply to: RE: Poll: how many here think film is an art form, that it can attain the heights of posted by tinear on November 13, 2014 at 08:51:22

  Without setting the scale the question makes no sense.
  
  How many great pieces of music can you name in the last say, 50 years?
  

  
  
  
  

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  • Or… ABBA??? You know exactly what I meant: why is it that so much more - tinear 16:52:04 11/13/14 (4)
    In Reply to: RE: Which music? Madonna? Some primitive tribal dance? posted by Victor Khomenko on November 13, 2014 at 09:55:05

    posting occurs on the "entertainment" rather than the "art" side of movies, on this site?
    Is it hard work for some to watch more cerebral stuff?
    Those that think that's snobbish probably need to lie down with a headache after watching the opening credits of an Ozu or Carol Reed film.
    Regarding their audio systems, of course, they're perfectly prepared to be "snobbish."
    Elitism is in the eye of the beholder.
    

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    • Accusing of elitism is just another form of elitism itself - Victor Khomenko 19:00:09 11/13/14 (3)
      In Reply to: RE: Or… ABBA??? You know exactly what I meant: why is it that so much more posted by tinear on November 13, 2014 at 16:52:04

      It is often fashionable, and oh, so cool, to be ignorant.
      
      My point was that much of contemporary music is not exactly high art, so it only gets the right to be called art thanks to the dead old guys. Without any questions there is plenty of room for art in film... just like in any other form of expression.
      
      As long as it is not Spielberg... :)
      

      
      
      
      

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      • Spielberg is the Walter Keane of film. nt - tinear 08:14:02 11/14/14 (2)
        In Reply to: RE: Accusing of elitism is just another form of elitism itself posted by Victor Khomenko on November 13, 2014 at 19:00:09

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        • Thank you, I didn't know that story... what makes you call... - Victor Khomenko 11:00:31 11/14/14 (1)
          In Reply to: RE: Spielberg is the Walter Keane of film. nt posted by tinear on November 14, 2014 at 08:14:02

          ...Spielberg that way?
          

          
          
          
          

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          • Very popular guy who the majority of people would qualify as an "artist." nt - tinear 14:36:11 11/15/14 (0)
            In Reply to: RE: Thank you, I didn't know that story... what makes you call... posted by Victor Khomenko on November 14, 2014 at 11:00:31

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• Poll: how many here will respond to my condescending troll? (nt) - mkuller 09:54:43 11/13/14 (2)
  In Reply to: RE: Poll: how many here think film is an art form, that it can attain the heights of posted by tinear on November 13, 2014 at 08:51:22

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  • More of a tedious, repetitive, condescending troll... - musetap 21:48:58 11/13/14 (0)
    In Reply to: RE: Poll: how many here will respond to my condescending troll? (nt) posted by mkuller on November 13, 2014 at 09:54:43

    Tinear's posting patterns are like Groundhog Day sans humor and the two hour running time.
    
    
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  • +1 - Billy Wonka 13:52:10 11/13/14 (0)
    In Reply to: RE: Poll: how many here will respond to my condescending troll? (nt) posted by mkuller on November 13, 2014 at 09:54:43

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