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In Reply to: RE: "uninvolving music"..... how ANYONE could refer to THIS.... posted by TWB on April 06, 2019 at 18:34:27
I'm with Victor. I didn't care for the musical performances. Except for Mason, a disappointing film.
-Wendell
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Perhaps it's because I'm younger than some folks but every time I watch most any pre 1960s film I always find the performances so overly dramatic (melodramatic) to downright hammy - the way actors turn their head the way they stick their hands out and croon for a camera angle - I mean it just seems so unnatural and it's with virtually every movie or TV show from the era.I mean at 1:50 of that clip TWB posted - Garland just looks silly to me. It's every movie - from Casablanca to Citizen Kane. Lines are delivered and everything always seems "acted."
Do people just look past all this or do folks in their 70s who grew up and got used to this silly stilted acting just not notice it I wonder? I remember when I was 8 I liked the Twilight Zone and several other shows of that era but I find them virtually unwatchable today as the lines and the acting are so laughable by modern standards.
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expressive hand movements while singing. I somewhat agree that the rendition of TMTGA in the film is not her best performance of that song.... This vid taken from her weekly TV show is more to my way of thinking a better performance and natural and what Cukor SHOULD have captured on film.There ARE on YouTube no less than 3 filmed versions of the song... At any rate IMO and the opinion of MANY people who saw her perform in her lifetime, she was the greatest talent to ever step on a stage... some would have said Jolson, some Garland, some Presley and more recently Michael Jackson. Unfortunately I was never able to see any of them live and am a big fan of all except of course Jolson... I'm a little too young to have a been a fan of his...
Garland = great - no issue with her or her singing and not really with her acting since it is just the way acting was at the time.
The clip you just showed illustrates to me why I prefer less backing instruments with good singers. She could literally have sung that song A Capella and IMO it would Literally have been much better.
That is another issue for me with music from the era - the loud brash brass bands shouting over everything - FFS - I wish we could just get her vocal track and get the rest of the cacophony out of there. at 1:52. I can live with it, I just wish it wasn't there.
dramatic and musical performance on film. Oddly enough it was her last... A somewhat autobiographical piece that showcases her stage performance ability as well has her acting chops. This is the 1963 trailer from that film.... If you have never seen it, I HIGHLY recommend it if you are a fan.
One problem I personally have with the films from the 30's or 40's is their music - they always start with incredibly loud music. So I automatically turn it down as it starts rolling.
A problem? Well, I don't approach old Dutch painters with the same ruler as 20th century artists, so why should movies be any different.
The manner of their speech is also something that will grow on you as you begin to delve into the epoch.
Certainly I did not grow up watching these films. I got to know them much, much later, but that did not stand in the way of my enjoying them.
I understand that to a point - it depends on what you are comparing though. In my English Literature days I would not give extra bonus credit for writers because they happened to be first at something. A first car might be a wonderful thing that set the standard for what came next but the best car in 2019 beats the ever loving crap out of the first Henry Ford model and in every single possible way.Yet often in film the extra added credit goes to older films while newer films are slagged for not being an original. I actually find the camera work in films like Citizen Kane annoying. I respect it as film art and what it did to inspire film makers but again with a modern eye - it is distracting to me.
And I wonder if it comes down to the age of the viewer and what they saw first and perhaps to your point of being able to see past the difference in the era whether it be special effects or acting style. Modern realism - where actors seem like actual people instead of someone who is reading lines.
Even Shakespeare's most respected tragedies aren't as "tragic" in a time and place without kings. The high born King falling for grace just isn't tragic to a modern audience in the same way it was at the time. Arguably the comedies hold up better to a modern eye. Or perhaps Death of a Salesman has broader appeal due it to it largely being a tragedy about the American Dream falling.
I mean my favorite comedy when I was 10 was Young Frankenstein - but I have to say that is awfully hard to sit through today. What was utter hilarity then - I just don't think a person under 20 years old would find it all that great.
The Exorcist which is often ranked as one of the scariest films made - just doesn't hold up and BluRay actually wrecks it because you can see the make-up too well and it looks like crap - having the older rougher print greatly helps.
Then the interminable pacing of older films that often seems they needed to add 30 minutes of filler to get people to buy popcorn at the drive-ins or something.
Even popular films have trouble. Raiders of the Lost Ark a slam bang action thrill ride of non serious pulp is today a slow moving drama.
Of course modern films are made for the smartphone attention span.
The marvel movies and transformers movies are wall to wall noise of epic ADHD proportions - I swear if anyone has 1 solid minute of dialog the writer and or editor would get fired. Something needs to explode every 3 minutes in a Michael Bay flick or the producers will panic.
I always wanted to be a film critic - problem is 90% of everything sucks and you have to sit through it all to find something good. Too many hours lost and not enough pay.
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