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In Reply to: RE: Once Upon A Time In Hollywood posted by fantja on July 26, 2019 at 08:00:39
until it became a cinematic apology for "the murders". Making light of that is akin to making fun of the Holocaust or any other serious moment in history.I really liked Pacino, Pitt, and dynamite Margaret Qualley. It was an interesting flow of images and feelings for the end of the '60s. I was never bored or restless, I just drank in the times as I had just gone into the service.
Blessedly, there was no Sam Jackson chewing up the scenery. I think there will be some discussion on the treatment of the subject matter and it will not be the note Tarrantino goes out on. He's got to go out strong.
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If that ending upsets you, you might want to stay away from his world war two movie. Change that to absolutely will want to stay away.If you got steamed over a movie with once upon a time in the title, you really won't like how the hateful eight handled the last world war.
I like happy endings, just one of the agreeable elements I saw in the movie.
Edits: 08/08/19
I'm looking forward to seeing OUATIH, but mostly feel that the sooner QT calls it quits the better.He peaked a while back and OUATIH (no matter how good or bad I find it) won't change that.
But it would be SO IRONIC for him to head for The Final Frontier to close the curtain!
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination"-Michael McClure
Edits: 08/03/19
...I saw no apology for the Tate murders. I did see a somewhat preachy narrative holding Hollywood of the time responsible for the creeping normalization of violence in the culture. Interesting considering Tarantino's typical style and the slower pace and relatively subdued violence in this film. Overall I found the whole thing enjoyable in terms of the story, the casting, the acting and all the technical details, props, music etc. Did you catch the Dual
TT and Marantz 18 rcvr and the Wilhelm scream? More than a few reviews comment on how the film really captured a late 60s Hollywood. Wasn't there so I'll take their word for that part.Since Tarantino filmed this with real photographic film, I'm gonna try and find someplace nearby showing it in 70mm and see it again as intended. On second thought, I won't see it in 70mm: nearest location is in another state. Oh well.
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at least twice. Once by Pussycat and the other outside of Dalton/Polanski's homes. By apology, I mean Tarrantino tried to set history right by changing its outcome. It was actually a very, very cheapshot at sensationalism and violence. It really is offensive to think he can laugh it off to "more violence" in entertainment at the cost of having an ironic/moronic ending.
I dunno about the creeping normalization of violence, it depends on where you were back then as it seemed to be exploding everywhere. I drove a cab in Chicago in the Summer of '69 and the memories of the violence at the Democratic National Convention the previous Summer of "68 were quite fresh then. I worked for Associated Press in '68 as a motorcycle film courier and I got laid off in large part due to my highly modified (and very unreliable) Suzuki X6, so I watched the whole thing on TV. A friend of mine stuck it out and he got clubbed in the head, while luckily wearing his helmet but he did get a cool bruise on his face, and he got his bike vandalized. This totally turned his politics around, he previously supported the war and liked LBJ, but went the other way following the '68 DNC. The friend I went to see Once Upon a Time... with was serving in Vietnam at the time the movie was set in. We left our wives at home as the movie didn't seem like a chick flick. In '69 Tarantino was 6 years old and bouncing between his single mother and grand parents. At the end of the movie when the credits rolled a few people started to clap, and then quite a few people joined in clapping. My friend booed, and I was about to join him when I had a premonition of us slugging our way out of the theater through some of the brain damaged morons who had laughed through some of the gruesome violence in the movie, in particular the ridiculous scene where the woman is burned to death by DiCaprio's flame thrower while standing waist deep in a swimming pool yet! I usually sit through the credits and listen to the music at a movies end but my friend said "Wanna go?" so we left. Quite a few people were lined up to the door. I was tempted to yell "The director is in the theater, let's grab him" but again thought better of it.
I don't think you are missing much not seeing the 70mm version, I would recommend seeing the movie on a VHS bootleg via a period correct vacuum tube TV.
...what's your source for a bootleg VHS video cassette? Oh, wait...VHS wasn't released in the US till 1977. So much for "period correct". LOL
I didn't expect that anyone would take me up on that suggestion, but if you did I would salute (but not share) your Tarantino enthusiasm. I used to have an old tube TV over my workbench in the basement, but when they started digital only broadcast it went to the recycler. I could probably make a VHS boot right here, the last time I tried the old VHS/DVD player it worked some years back, but I would have to rent the disc and that aint gonna happen, so there's no danger of such a victimless crime being committed here. I remember stories of Elvis getting mad and shooting his TV screen at Graceland, which was nice if you could afford it. Today if someone lived in a remote rural area they could buy a cheap video projector and put Once Upon a Time... up on an old bed sheet outside and shoot away at it. They could even set the sheet on fire as they pleased, and if sheets were on sale at the dollar store the sky's the limit. And if they put a video of this on youtube I would watch it, which is about the only way I would watch OUATIH again.
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