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In Reply to: RE: You don't know what you're talking about. It has nothing to do with... posted by MWE on January 21, 2021 at 12:37:18
In reality there are two modern forms of totalitarism: communism and fascism. Neither one presumes or allows free capitalist economy as we tend to understand it.While it is true, that fascists did not nationalize the economy, like the communists did, it was still subordinate to their goals, and under heavy government control.
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by strict definition it 'could' be possible but that would be way closer
to fascism ... the gov't would scoop all profits in that instance, probably via monstrous taxation ... and before the usual suspects here get a poli boner, no that's not where the US is at, not even close
with regards,
Yet 'capitalism' is getting bad press among the literati. This would be a group that favors equality of OUTCOME over the concept of equality of OPPORTUNITY.
They do not distinguish between capitalism and a capatalist, either.
And Yes, I'd judge National Socialism to be an economic system, more than merely political.
A cover concept might be that of 'command economy'??
Too much is never enough
health care. No mainstream "liberal" favors equality of outcome. That is a fake argument repeated endlessly.
And "capitalism" means circulation of money. Not stagnating in purely speculative or banking piles. No spending, no true capitalism. You may wish to consider the part governance has to play in all of this, unless you care to argue with Alan Greenspan.
Favor Friedman over Greenspan.
A little something from Friedman.
Milton Friedman, in his book "Free to Choose", detailed the four ways to spend money:
You spend your own money on yourself.
You spend your own money on someone else.
You spend someone else's money on yourself.
You spend someone else's money on someone else.
The gov specializes in #4 and cares not for efficacy or value.
Too much is never enough
'The gov specializes in #4'
really? what if #4 isn't a person, but a bridge or a highway?
or are we all supposed to get together on weekends and pony up for a few inches of construction from our Christmas Club account?
that Friedman comment was taken out of context and repurposed you know
mutating into part of trickle down voodoo economic talking points
it was criticizing the failure of free market capitalism to meet the needs that necessitate government programs and how those are administered, not their existence ... how did you come away with another reading of it?
oops, I've got to make a move and keep an appointment, later!
regards,
I'm not going to get wrapped around the axle on this and the Minutia you swim in as a habit.
Fact is? Nobody can answer the question whether the government 'pushes' spending and programs DOWN or if people ask or perhaps 'demand' programs and pull UP.
St Louis Fed had a very good article on this which I wish I could find / link but it has been a long time.
Money is power. Money in Politics is influence. Influence means you CAN get your 'own way'.
This is why corporate personhood is maybe even Evil.
And again, I must ask, is it capitalism or capitalists? Or maybe the unholy alliance between politicians who think office is a lifetime appointment and capitalists?
Too much is never enough
'I wish I could find / link but it has been a long time'
that's OK I can look for it
'Money is power ... etc. '
yes indeed ... incontrovertible fact
'And again, I must ask, is it capitalism or capitalists ...' etc.
I cannot imagine how you separate the two and agree with the rest
'the Minutia you swim in as a habit'
I'd expect a remark like that from CFL ... but you? are we debating or having a conversation here? what's with the snark?
look, your minutia isn't any more righteous than any one else's ... you're examining the devil in the details in your post, so how does one respond except to examine it along with you?
never mind, hope you have a better day. I'll wait for you to ditch all the question marks so I can tell if you think you've figured it all out ... /s
best regards,
Wow - I am REALLY in your brain! But as I said before, the roomy accommodations there suit me just fine! ;-)
And BTW, you decry "the snark" and yet you make pronouncements from "on high", e.g., "so I can tell if you think you've figured it all out". . . as if you have it all figured out and should sit in judgment to determine if the little people have attained your sublime understanding of things, o mighty one! ;-)
you beat me too it......
Too much is never enough
aw man ... don't do me like that
; )
see what you did CFL! pictureguy's pissed now!
or maybe just 'miffed' ... or pulling my chain ... or
anyway, I blame you!!
I do take the sins of others (well, the venial sins anyway!) unto myself sometimes - it can be hard work, but somebody's got to do it! ;-)
lol
I know what I did, no you're not, and thank you for following me on the forums, I appreciate you as well, that's why I name checked you!
with regards,
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