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In Reply to: RE: Add to your list Nazi Germany, USSR, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania... etc, etc, posted by Victor Khomenko on February 12, 2021 at 07:03:44
So what's your point? Current Germany is not Hitler Germany.The Nordic nations have been around longer than the USA and were not fascist.
Trumpland is far closer to Hitler and Fascism than the likes of Bernie Sanders, AOC, or Justin Trudeau.
You just had a president who refused a peaceful transfer of power and is guilty of sedition and wanted to commit a coup. The USA is FAR closer ot fascism than Canada or the countries I listed.
I think you are mixing up corrupt countries that call themselves socialist versus the MAJORITY of countries that are democratic socialist.
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It would be informative to remind the proponents of that syphilis, that for some strange reason the number of people moving from those paradises to the rotten US is about 100:1 the number of idiots moving in the opposite direction.
Such is the irony. It is perfectly acceptable to call yourself a "socialist" while enjoying what the more free forms of society can give you.
It is called hypocrisy.
Just about every other first world nation on the planet has socialized medicine. And when asked virtually no one from any of these countries would exchange it for our system of health care. The people actually living in these "socialist" countries are actually quite vocal about the virtues of their socialist programs. You are merely pretending this is not true. And it is funny that you would single out Cuba as an example. A country that has been forced into poverty by the rest of the world lead by us to preasure them into revolt. And yet even poor poor poor Cuba has higher rated healthcare system than us.
100:1 evidence please. Which countries to which countries. America doesn't keep track of those statistics with any degree of accuracy. I have met many Americans abroad - I have yet to meet a single one of them who wants to move back to the US.The problem with the dopey argument is that many Americans buy into the bill of goods ra ra sis boom ba you're either with us or against us brainwashing from cradle to grave. They don't GO ANYWHERE and see anything so they sit and watch Fox News tell them that everywhere else is bad.
https://www.aetnainternational.com/en/about-us/explore/living-abroad/culture-lifestyle/where-are-Americans-emigrating-to-and-why.html
America has a nasty little policy of double taxation on world income which many other countries do not have. When I teach in Hong Kong I pay only HK income tax - not Canadian income tax. An American pays both which limits his earning power and thus lessens the desire to work abroad.
The dire situations in Mexico - well sure the USA looks pretty good in comparison. They'll come in droves. It's not like they can afford a plane ticket to fly to Denmark - but they can walk to the border for free.
Different countries have means tests to be able to immigrate. For example - my Qualifications allow me to teach in most US States - an American teacher's qualifications are "lesser" and they can't get a job teaching in Canada without taking several more courses at a Canadian University.
So there is a better chance that a Canadian Teacher would emigrate to the States than the other way around. But the only reason they would move to the States - is for employment. I know several - they all wanted to and or have moved back to Canada.
Lots of Americans move abroad and lots of people move to the States.
The argument of immigration is a red-herring. Jobs, geographic location, weather, marriage, religion impact immigration. Since many Americans live paycheque to paycheque and have no education they may want to move but can't. They do not have the means.
But you didn't address the fact that there isn't the slightest sign or hint of fascism in any of the countries I listed which would ALL be vastly better for a middle-income earner. The country that has been closest to fascism has been the USA for the last 4 years. The Capital was a pretty big alarm bell.
You watch a lot of holocaust films - I guess you only watch movies "skin deep" like the cinematography - you sure as shit didn't learn anything watching Trumpism grow its fascist head.
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I see lots of 'sort-of' discussion where facism and nazism are term thrown about as if synonomous.
Isn't it true that one is primarily an economic system.....National Socialism. this brought us the VW.
While the other part is the political arm?
Where COULD you move if you wanted out of the States? Costa Rica? Shetland Islands?
I'm kind of at a loss here.
Too much is never enough
You are still close to the US border so you can visit family and friends and in general, it's similar in terms of pop culture and most values. Liberal values.Pick a city.
Some reasons to move to Canada
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I looked at it thirty-five years ago but didn't qualify
Windsor was a lovely city back then and I worked in Detroit. It's still a nice city but it lost a fair amount of its charm after the casino was opened and many riverside restaurants closed.
I'd move to Vancouver, Victoria, or Montreal in a heart beat.
"Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people. "
― W.C. Fields
Weather is 'on the list' of considerations.
Other things on the list include...and in NO particular order,
Medical? Cost of Living? Ability to buy / own home? Or Build, maybe?
I don't think I'd be happy in a place with a REAL winter. Wife definately wouldn't go for it, being a warm weather person. And Virtually all her family is around here, so 2000 miles and change is certainly not trivial.
But I DO get the idea. Even Vancouver might be nice....though SNOW! Back east to Montreal or ??
Summerland and Penticon get HIGH MARKS for 'Banana Belt' weather. Worth a 2nd look.....
Can you get a CCW in Canada?
Too much is never enough
Don't believe all those nasty rumors!
Not worried particularly about a piece of paper. It's what goes WITH it that may be the problem?
Too much is never enough
Was meant to be a joke... I must be losing my tough. :(
Canada is California on steroids.
You never had much 'tough' but your touch IS failing........
Canada has SOME attractive features. I'd LOVE to take the Trans Canada train ride, for example.
Montreal has been used as a 'stand-in' for I think Helsinki in a few movies. The list of Hollywood productions both set in and just using Montreal is quite extensive.
And as kind of an aside? Viking Runes and other 'signs' have been found in the Eastern 1/3rd of the USA for a long time. I wonder if anything similar has been found in Canada? A little cold didnt' seem to bother the Vikings.
Too much is never enough
Well the weather isn't great outside of Victoria or Vancouver and there may be difficult requirements to get in.
There are plenty of websites that talk about the best placed in the world to retire - I have considered places like Equador and Portugal. Nicer weather for sure. And it helps to move to places with a lot of English.
example
While on Holiday a few years ago, I made a brief visit to Costa Rica. ONLY downside was the number of nasty reptiles / bugs.
Plenty of Volcanoes, too.
Country is clean and nice people. Plenty of Ex-Pats and several places to move with that in mind.
You can even get a decent PIZZA. Good medical and no danger of a military takeover. Nicaragua to the North is a problem.
But generally a few choices of Climate Type. Do Not go in the Ocean in several places. We saw Crocs / Gators in a few rivers, at least one of which was maybe 12 feet..... The boss. So I guess water skiing is OUT.
Too much is never enough
So much for the "Land of the Free"Here are the LEAST free nations on earth - as in political, economic, and personal freedoms. It also shows the steep decline in US freedom since 2016 https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/2018/democracy-crisis
The top 27 freest nations. Note too that right-wing Republican owned think tanks like the Cato Institute are also involved in this evaluation so it is not lefty propaganda.
You have more freedom in Tuvalu than the USA - LOL - I mean Tuvalu - what? where? FFS!!
The USA ranked 58th! FFS! Let's see where the US ranks in 2024
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I see what you mean and don't doubt what your sources say. But I might add one thing.A society is free in proportion to the ability of its members to exercise self-control. A people with little self control will need more 'policiing'. In a perfect society, you wouldn't need police since everyone would want to behave themselves. And would do so. Mechanisms other than vioience would be needed to mediate the inevitable disputes.
The politics of me-firstism from the right AND left just makes it worse.
Don't forget to ADD that the US Incarceration Rate is among the highest on the planet.
If you look at the LINK, It would be interesting to chart the politics of those states having a HIGHER than USA Average incarcertaion rate V the remainder. US rates very highly by this measure, which is to say, poorly for personal freedom....which people seem unable to cope with.
I wonder where China lies on this measure?
Too much is never enough
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Very nice climate, good people, great food, cheap local wine, VERY friendly towards the Americans.
Perhaps should avoid Gori, Georgia.
Bill
Georgia USA or Independent Georgia, formerly of the USSR?
If the European version, would I get issued an AK at checkin? Is there a good Stereo store in Tbilisi? Or perhaps a good camera store? Must have a Trader Joe's Market, too....
Georgia USA is in the Hurricane Path. And within 100 miles of the coast is WAY to humid for human life. And based on 'Housewives', I don't want anything to DO with ATlanta. Further inland?
Too much is never enough
'friendly towards the Americans'
well, they 'went blue' which should help
[sic]
regards,
I'd leave politics OUT of my travels. I've found that people treat you as you treat them. If you are an imperialist, you'll get the cold shoulder. If meeting someone half-way? You'll get along better.
I've had people 'suddently' decide they DID speak English after deciding me and wife weren't jerks.
Europen trains are an especially neat place to meet people. We even met tourists from Asia while on a boat ride in Lake Lucerne.....
You should probably leave your MAGA hat and Biden t-shirt at home.
Too much is never enough
Our neighbors moved to Croatia about ten years ago. When they first mentioned thinking about it about 12 years ago I said "what!?"
But they did, and they love it there. Bought a place on an island off the coast and with the help of local workers renovated it.
Some young people there speak English, but not many older folks. There was an old guy at a local store who never said a word to them for months, then one day began speaking amazingly good English with them. Come to find out he has spent time in the US long ago, but I guess he wanted to size our friends up a bit before commiting to converse!
Many people don't realize that their Medicare does not work in other countries.
Me... I am staying here, I am not going anywhere. There is no better place on Earth.
The 99 reasons the USA is inferior to Canada.
"(11) We're less prudish: An Angus Reid poll found 83 per cent of Canadians believe sex between an unmarried man and woman is acceptable, versus just 59 per cent of Americans.
12. We're better educated: 48.3 per cent of Canadians have a post-secondary degree, compared to 40.3 per cent in the U.S.
13. We're fitter: The percentage of American adults who are obese is 35.9. In Canada, it's 24.2.
14. We have more sex: According to a survey by condom-maker Durex, 59 per cent of Canadians say they have sex weekly, versus 53 per cent of Americans.
The money stuff which is probably what you and TWB care most about (or only about)
16. We're richer: Canada's average household net worth of $363,000 is higher than America's, at $320,000.
21. We live in bigger houses: We have 2.6 rooms per person in Canada, versus 2.3 in the U.S.
22. Canada has greater economic freedom: So says the U.S.-based Heritage Foundation Index of Economic Freedom. Canada scores 6th place, while America comes in 10th. Credit our sounder public finances.
25. Our banks are better: Earlier this year Bloomberg ranked the world's strongest banks. Four of the top 10 were Canadian, and all scored higher than the top U.S. bank, Citigroup, which came in 9th.
There's more: (28) Our corporate taxes are lower (PricewaterhouseCoopers ranks Canada 8th out of 185 countries for its advantageous corporate tax structure while the U.S. is 69th). (29) We embrace transit: Seven of the 10 North American cities with the most people taking transit to work are in Canada. (30) We get more paid holidays: America has no mandated paid holidays or vacation time, so 23 per cent of U.S. workers get no paid time off, compared to Canadian workers who get at least two weeks and nine paid public holidays.
Also better for audiophiles -
34. Our opera house is tops: There's no city in North America with an opera house to compare to the Four Seasons Centre in Toronto. Jack Diamond, who built it, was promptly handpicked by Valery Gergiev to build the new Mariinsky II theatre in St. Petersburg, Russia.
Also less censoring (You know that FREEDOM of speech you Trumpers supposedly value (but only if you agree with it).
36. Our broadcast TV doesn't have to treat adults like children: Maybe it's because Americans are such sensitive folk, or it's our ill-defined role as cultural bridge between the U.S. and Europe, but Canadian TV regularly gets away with showing things broadcast networks south of the border can't: nipples, F-bombs and the like. When The Sopranos aired unedited on CTV, executive producer David Chase said that could never happen on U.S. network TV: "It's just not possible, we have rules against that."
Sports
46. Better football: Since the late 1970s, the National Football League has been tweaking its rules to encourage more passing—that is, to make the U.S. game more exciting. Up here, we got it right the first time: a three-down game on a great, big field. So on second and 10, you can bet that ball will be in the air.
49. We have better skiing: Canada's most popular ski resort, Whistler, trumps America's most-visited resort, Vail, with more trails (200 vs. 193), longer runs (a total of 36,960 feet vs. 15,840 feet) and more snow (469 inches vs. 348 inches)
And the stupid detector:
(79) We're more rational: Most Canadians (61 per cent) accept evolution, compared to just 30 per cent of Americans. Incidentally, the same percentage believe Bigfoot is "definitely" or "probably" real.
The rest.
It's not hard to be more advanced than the USA.
"Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people. "
― W.C. Fields
There is no better place on Earth.You don't get out much do you? It's not even the best place in North America.
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Near enough to Italy to be interesting. I expect regular ferry service to / from half a dozen places on either side.
But overall? Too many words without Vowels.
I'll bet the climate is terrific. And being around where so much Euro and 'Western' history happened must be a study into itself. I'll bet the photographic possibilitties are limitless.
Too much is never enough
I've got people in Van City ... there's a great place!
gotta get back there some day
too bad you just can't 'move to CN' though
best regards,
Before I do a search out of simple curiosity? What are requirements for permanent resident status?
Financial? Educational? Gotta know somebody? Good on skis or snowshoes?
Too much is never enough
check the link ...
Got it.
I'll read in detail tomorrow and expand the search. Need buy-in from wife, which is about a 20:1 shot against. But I'll try it out.......
I need to look at a good map, too......(my bookshelves have 3 or 4 Atlase including the Britannica)
Too much is never enough
Vancouver is just a jog up the coast
VanCity rocks ... I really gotta go back sometime
a little too old to really rock but ... maybe roll?
regards,
From where I sit, it's 30" to the train station. North on Amtrack to Union Station. Depending on when I arrive and Coast Starlight departs, I may have time to dodge over to ChinaTown and have lunch at 'Philippe The Original' which is the inventor of the French Dip. In business since 1908.
Wife and I took our Prissy Neice there several years back and she WOULDN'T eat. Sawdust on the floor took her off her feed. Good Grief! (LOL alert)
Train to Seattle and public transport UP to Vancouver. It's about a 30 hour trip.....one NITE on the train so you may want a 'roomette'......
Too much is never enough
Gilligan's Isle
all the conveniences and off the grid!
regards,
Another 'do as I say, not as I do'......situation.
Like everybody has to retire by 65 or 66 or whenever. UNLESS you are an elected person to either the Congress (House and Senate) or as Chief Executive.....POTUS.
Congress has of course passed lots of laws to which they are immune.....
Too much is never enough
I tell myself that maybe I'll get an 'lol' out of you one of these days if you weren't so ornery ... who knows? ; )
best regards,
To be perfectly honest? As I get older I get LESS tolerant. Of politicians and other elected hacks.
And as my boss once told me? 'I'll start acting nicer, if you start acting smarter'....or some such!
Being on the edge of Obsessive / Compulsive isn't easy. I have difficulty relaxing and turning the brain cell OFF for sleep. I'm up about 18 hours / day.
For example? Here in San Diego? SDGE (Sempra Energy) had its 50 year contract run out last month.
I wrote to several politicians asking WHEN information was sent out to eligible companies to BID on the gas and electric utility. No meaningful answer.....and never will be. We can't let anything interfere with the Executive Bonus Program.
BTW? We pay the highest electric rates in California, which means upper 10% in the nation.....
I'll give fair warning for a LOL moment. This wasn't one....
Too much is never enough
you'll give fair warning that you'll laugh?
good gawd man what happened to you?
never mind, don't say anything, it's not a good idea
with regards,
Fair Warning to YOU of a LOL moment.
God, you can be thick......
Too much is never enough
if I have to explain that when someone is being intentionally obtuse ...
ah, never mind
regards,
with a capitalist/socialist hybrid system. The first-tier nations earlier mentioned decided democratically, in free elections, that they would invest more in equality for all their citizens.
Those repressive countries you mentioned aren't known for free elections, are they? They have no histories of democratic rule.Consider Germany and its economy, Victor. Do you not see that country's economic success, after being torn apart (understandably) by your former country, has been predicated on providing top-notch free education and services to all? Second, you do realize the US lags FAR behind these other top countries in upward mobility? Genius isn't restricted by zip code. It is a very rare thing that is as likely to spring up among the poorest as it is amongst the rich. Need I remind you, there are a lot more poor...
And can you please, please leave out the personal insults? We all enjoy good discussions, but personalized demonizing subverts them.
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Is most definitely hybrid. In pure capitalism firms would be allowed to fail.
"Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people. "
― W.C. Fields
d
ah yes ... economic top tier = privatize my gains / socialism for my losses
'middle tier' = privatize my gains / eat 'our' losses
'lowest tier' = eat my gains / eat my losses
we all get a 'phone' so it's fair
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"Only the little people pay taxes."
"Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people. "
― W.C. Fields
'"Only the little people pay taxes."
Who exactly did Vic insult? As I pointed out to you before, why don't you take your perennial soapbox and move on to a forum more suited to your obsession....
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