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In Reply to: RE: yes you heard correctly posted by Analog Scott on November 09, 2021 at 12:33:20
So.....one might conclude that it was NOT a 'single point of failure' but rather a cascade where
several things had happen for there to be a Terrible Accident........
This is what I've heard about airplane crashes. Several things not quite 'up to standard' and culminate in a non-recoverable error.....
Maybe a future rule? Guns are to be kept LOCKED with only the armorer and ONE other person with the key. Double verification of firearm status BEFORE being released to the custody of the set handler....
Something like that? MIght that work?
Too much is never enough
"So.....one might conclude that it was NOT a 'single point of failure' but rather a cascade where
several things had happen for there to be a Terrible Accident........"
A perfect storm of stupidity and failure to follow protocols every step of the way. *Every step.*
"This is what I've heard about airplane crashes. Several things not quite 'up to standard' and culminate in a non-recoverable error....."
My brother was a helicopter pilot his entire career. He learned the trade in Vietnam and retired a few years back in his late 60s. Most helicopter pilots don't retire of you know what I mean. He has always held that his success was due to an obsessive commitment to following all protocols to the letter. He says that just about everything that could go wrong has gone wrong at one time or another and he was able to survive it because he followed all safety protocols.
"Maybe a future rule? Guns are to be kept LOCKED with only the armorer and ONE other person with the key."
That is a current rule. Only it is just the armorer. there is no second key holder
"Double verification of firearm status BEFORE being released to the custody of the set handler...."
The armorer is the set handler. And any gun does go through multiple verifications. The armorer and the prop master double verify.Then they show on set that the barrel is clear and what if anything is being loaded into the gun for final verification. They show the actors and offer anyone else on set to see for themselves if they wish. This is where there seems to be some confusion regarding Baldwin's responsibility. Actors are shown the gun is clear. they are not obligated to look just as the rest of the crew on set are not obligated to look. They are offered that. And they definitely are not even supposed to open up a gun themselves on set to check. They also are not allowed to even keep it on their person or in their costume between takes. But I have seen that rule not enforced many times. It is a pain in the ass for an amrorer to jump in and handle a gun that is empty between takes.
"Something like that? MIght that work?"
All rules rely on being followed to work. That was the problem. The rules were not followed at *every* step of the way. Not just one or two steps.
"Too much is never enough'
As Ron White says. "You can't fix stupid."
thanks for good info.
And yes, my instinct when dealing with aircraft SEEMS to be right. Multiple things must go wrong for their to be The Big Accident......
Remember Francis Gary Powers? Survived a U2 shootdown over the Soviet Union.
Died in a Helicopter crash while working as a News Copter pilot....right up the road in Los Angeles....
My personal poliicy is to NEVER get in a rotary wing aircraft.....But that's just ME.....
Too much is never enough
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