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In Reply to: RE: Only one serious film, the rest are entertainment. Easy choice: posted by RGA on March 20, 2022 at 18:01:16
It's not the irrelevant "gay payoff" story you describe. The gay cowboy thing is a red herring plot device. The real story is about relationship disruptions and resolution. Phil's life is upset when Rose and Peter enter it. Phil torments Rose and Peter to the point of breaking. Peter is portrayed as effeminate but not necessarily gay. Peter proclaims that a real man protects his mother and the challenge is set. Peter discovers Phil's secret and feigns (gay) interest in Phil to gain Phil's trust while developing a cunning, ruthless plan to get rid of him. Peter's medical studies provide him the knowledge necessary to infect Phil with anthrax in a seemingly innocent and untraceable manner so it appears to be an accident with no involvement by Peter or anyone else. Phil dies, the torment ends and there is no suspicion of murder as Peter reads from Psalm 22 (a passage from which the film's title is derived) and everybody lives happily ever after.
I liked PotD as I liked "Parasite" but I don't think either is "Best Picture" material. I was wrong about "Parasite" last year. . .
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You are right. Saw it last night and it was much more than a "gay-themed" film. It was quite cleverly done. RGB's comments here lead me to expect things that never happened. Was it slow? No, I think the story unfolded at the appropriate speed. The prevailing sense of anxiety all around and the score added to the tension. I enjoyed it and thought it was cleverly done.
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As far as I could discern, everyone was portrayed as cis-gender. Gender preference applied to sexual partnering both real and feigned was used to distract viewers from what was really occurring plot-wise. This is obvious by film's end. "Toxic masculinity" aspects are present and have been discussed to death elsewhere. This too was a plot device used to set the stage for what developed later in the film.
While I get this - I was not terribly convinced by Phil as being a bad enough guy to have killed. But I could give that Peter felt that Phil was enough of a threat or blamed, in large part, for Rose's descent into alcoholism. It just felt more or less flat to me and overlong with few payoffs.I think Kareem Abdul Jabbar hit the nail on the head for me
The 3 Most Disappointing Movies of 2021 Are Best Picture Nominees!
"Nominating this movie as Best Picture seems more like the Academy virtue signalling than sticking to their mandate to reward exceptional and innovative films."
For me that is the crux - there was nothing new - not thematically, nor visually, nor was it exceptional in any way.
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It's all so personal and even political these days. One of my favorites this year was "Red Rocket". The whole thing was a hoot. Manipulation upon manipulation. Not a word about it here or most places.Edit: Surprised you reference Kareem's review of PotD. Not exactly insightful. Clearly, his movie reviewing expertise is limited.
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Kareem writes more eloquently on other topics. More detail would help.I agree with you on Red Rocket - it's a cut above most of the films nominated but the subject matter usually kills films like this.
It's funny but when I moved into my flat here in Hong Kong - my neighbour was much like this talking about moving to HK because a gang was after him back in Australia and that he used to be a cop - well my friend is from Australia and was listening to this guy and told me his facts were all wrong that one gang wasn't even in that area of the country.
It's so odd to meet people who are perpetual liars who pump themselves up in odd ways to make themselves sound dangerous or interesting. He was a bit shakey too and a rather heavy drinker - glad he moved away.
Red Rocket isn't a great advertisement for Texas - LOL.
But I enjoyed the movie - if it were nominated I'd probably rank it at least 3rd. Moreover, one could definitely make the case for Simon Rex being nominated for best actor.
These awards, to be fair, are so tough too because how do you compare a film with the subject matter of a Red Rocket or Titane with the subject matter of a CODA or Drive My Car? Some movies have likeable characters and families like CODA and others are complete and utter trainwrecks like Red Rocket.
I just hate it when they nominate crap like Dune where the best character in the film is the giant worm and you want it to eat the writer.
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too many have misconstrued that red herring.
Agree about the Best Picture thing too, but the nominations are rather dismal.
So far POTD is the best film we've yet seen of the nominated films, most of which
tinear would refer to as movies...
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
entertainment wouldn't be mixed in with more serious fare. Pop, country, jazz, classical: what if one had to award a "best" that would encompass all those? Good luck!
Mostly, methinks, for folk like you that cling to distinctions
that need to separate the silver plated from the sterling.
Fine for jewelry, less important with art.
Multi theaters, Repertory theaters, Arthouse theaters.
All are worthy in the long run.
I suspect if this were the Movie Forum you wouldn't post here.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
I didn't see many of this year's nominees but would put Westside Story right up there too . . . probably out of nostalgia. My parents were big into musicals when I was a kid and the WSS "soundtrack" was constantly in the air back then. I'm still amazed that Bernstein did the music. What an amazing and wide ranging talent he was!
Really fine acting (beats even POTD), the B&W is refreshing though the story is rather formulaic.
That The Belfast Cowboy serves as the soundtrack is a delight.
The best thing about WSS is STILL the music, the new versions are sharp and
(honestly) swinging. The rest of it we found humdrum and we actually fell
asleep after an hour.
Might try and finish it but we know how it ends...
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
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