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In Reply to: RE: Well, Stalin did defeat Hitler. Unlike him, Joe's designs on "world conquest" posted by jamesgarvin on June 24, 2007 at 11:17:20
Read more of his delusions at Outside.
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... but you will find few who think Stalin was actually left wing at all.
He was an opportunist totalitarian.
And a hideously effective one.
After the second world war, which as an aside, it can reasonably be argued, the USSR was the single most important part of the defeat of Hitler, achieved at a hideous domestic cost to the USSR, it wasn't just the atomic scientists whom were chopped between the USSR and the USA, it was also the marketeers and philosophies.
"After the second world war, which as an aside, it can reasonably be argued, the USSR was the single most important part of the defeat of Hitler, achieved at a hideous domestic cost to the USSR, it wasn't just the atomic scientists whom were chopped between the USSR and the USA, it was also the marketeers and philosophies."
The problems is this: (1) Why did the U.S.S.R. enter World War II? Because they were attacked, and not to liberate other countries. (2) You mean, as others appear, to suggest that one of the spoils of war from loosing many men on the battlefield is to occupy another country, stripping its people of basic freedoms and liberties? How about do the noble thing, accept some thanks and parades, and go home, satisfied that you made life better for countless other people. Stalin saw it as an opportunity, which, apparently, is fine with some here.
Those who do should stop bitching that Bush is doing the same thing in Iraq.
bleep
The major difference is that the U.S. did not enter into a contract with Japan whereby the U.S. tells Japan "take what you want, kill as many as you want, just do not attack us." Stalin does a deal with the devil, and then should be rewarded when the devil bit his ass?
But I suggest that the price for the Soviets entering WWII should not be the liberty of millions of people, and the consensus here seems to be that those costs are justified. I'd appreciate a response to that query. Certainly, the U.S. did not install puppet governments in France and Italy, and then restrict those people liberties. In Japan, the U.S. only removed the emperor, but the process itself was largely left untouched.
I think the USA was very happy for Stalin to put various east European countries under his control.
It gave an easy enemy to keep the USA's military budgets blooming. It moved the USA out, way out, of the depression.
As for installing puppet governments, you are right. The USA only picked up on that tactic after WW2.
The reasons for Stalin's deal with Hitler are various, but do you also include Britain among the condemned for dealing with Hitler?
Before WW@ started, everybody knew what Hitler was already doing to the Jews. But who cared enough to do anything?
And why would the USA not be interested in entering WW2 in order to protect those European democracies, stop the massacres of the Jews/socialists/gays across the countries that Germany invaded?
I think the USA grew up a lot in the ways to run an empire during this period.
Even though they became top nation earlier, the domestic economy had been in tatters for a decade and it was only really then that they moved into the deals necessary to become a superpower. (Who came up with that word?).
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