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Germany should still be split

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Tom Brennan

In Reply to: RE: "Truman gave Stalin nothing." Correct. The culprit was FDR and his "sellout" at Yalta (and earlier). posted by clarkjohnsen on June 25, 2007 at 08:39:54

Dividing Germany was the best thing that could have been done and should have been done after the Great War, and was considered then.

So tell me Clark, how many American lives would capturing Berlin and Prague been worth? 500,000? A million? Give me a number.

Follow Ups:

Is that with or without John Wayne leading the fight? - dave c 15:23:23 06/26/07 (1)
I love the way the Yanks turned up late and then assumed it was their war...
really, please remember that there were a couple of other countries fighting that war.
- RE: Is that with or without John Wayne leading the fight? - Tom Brennan 18:17:41 06/26/07 (0)
  "I love the way the Yanks turned up late and then assumed it was their war...
  really, please remember that there were a couple of other countries fighting that war."
  
  I know that very well Dave.
  
  And with that I'm done with this off-topic history business.
  
  Edits: 06/26/07 06/26/07
The question was not whether Germany *should* have been split. (Sticking to the question... - clarkjohnsen 08:04:14 06/26/07 (4)
...is difficult for some, I realize.)

It began with a movie. Then it moved to a partially-false allegation, which I countered. Then along came Tom Brennan.

The fact remains, Eastern Europe was carved up by an agreement at Yalta among the Big Three Allies. It had nothing to do with the heroism of the Red Army. Not only that, Germany's Western front at that time was less well-defended; nor would the battle have been down to the Americans.

As for the gruesome math you wish me to do, let's toss in the thirty or forty million East Germans and Ukrainians that Stalin murdered and see how the equation balances.

clark
- RE: The question was not whether Germany *should* have been split. (Sticking to the question... - Tom Brennan 11:42:23 06/26/07 (3)
  "As for the gruesome math you wish me to do, let's toss in the thirty or forty million East Germans and Ukrainians that Stalin murdered and see how the equation balances."
  
  These numbers that Stalin supposedly killed just get bigger and bigger. Give me a reliable source for forty million Germans and Ukrainians killed after the end of the war.
  
  You failed to answer my question, how many American lives would it have worth to capture eastern Germany. Personally, to paraphrase Bismarck, I don't think the whole of Germany would be worth the life of one American grenadier.
  - "The whole of Germany would [not] be worth the life of one American grenadier." One word: - clarkjohnsen 09:32:14 06/27/07 (0)
    Beethoven.
    
    Want another: Goethe.
    
    A third: Schiller.
  - but how many lives was it worth to lose to gain... - dave c 15:25:57 06/26/07 (1)
    ... the German atomic and rocket scientists?
    - RE: but how many lives was it worth to lose to gain... - Tom Brennan 18:16:05 06/26/07 (0)
      The German rocket guys were very good but we already had the best atomic guys. The Germans were nowhere near developing the bomb.

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