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In Reply to: RE: Well, yes, he is a director, by job definition. You can argue that posted by powermatic on July 14, 2007 at 08:49:52
Which is way too good for my words but no for my thinkink and telling.
You think a little series of lies are ok?
For a journalist?
No way.
MM is an egocentric maniac and that shine through his disgracefull movies, his last one will makes its millions without my participation as I am sick of his way of highjacking populist causes.
For his behaviour, like you describe it with C. Heston, and a well publicised " accident ", that would do it for me for ever.
And a total lack of humour to round it up, no thanks.
Follow Ups:
FYI, he's less of a journalist than an editorialist. In his documentaries Moore uses caustic irony to convey personally held views about corruption within our society; it's based upon a preponderance of selectively gathered evidence rather than simply reporting the news as he finds it.
In that regard, Michael Moore's films tend to be semi-documentary in concept, biased albeit based upon facts. His films are manipulative in the same way that news opinion editors make profound observations extolling the virtues of social change; moreover, they're extrapolations, based upon sufficient facts to reach an honest conclusion.
BTW, documentary filmmakers don't have to follow strict news media guidelines when seeking information for their films, they just have to be relatively accurate with the facts in order to build a compassionate case.
Some folks like what he does; others don't, but I kind of doubt that folks will lose much sleep over the fact that you seem to be a cheerleader for the latter category. ;0)
AuPh
Since we spoke about him last time...
I think he has an inflated ego, that he is a liar and that his talent as a director are in the minimal range, the only postive is that he is able to find out Themes that, would have he been a serious and humorous person with a sense of proportion he could have been real satiric.
When I saw his first film back then I felt not at ease for one second, and in the end the portraits he describe are not other than his very own.
I think he is despictable.
Yes, semi- fictious....
Folks will also not worry also too much about you...In this we can shake hand....
As usual Anti-Moore diatribes focus on minutia rather than the big picture. Whether the number is $5000.00 or $6000.00 is not really the point since both are so vastly higher than $251 which both agree on.
CNN and Republican monkeys keep talking about "but those countries pay taxes for medical" And we don't want Socialist programs because socialism is communism. Which it's not but that's another brain washed mantra of the right.
Americans pay taxes for things like libraries roads, fire departments, police, road construction etc. All of these are socialist programs. Without socialism there would be NO society at all. In fact it was a Socialist program that got the United States out of the great depression and a capitalistic one that put them there in the first place.
Moore's response to CNN
"THAT'S the only thing we should be talking about. How profit and greed are killing our fellow Americans. How profit and private insurance have to be removed from our health care system. CNN should join me in asking why our 9/11 rescue workers aren't receiving medical care. Somebody should send a crew to Canada to find out why they live longer than we do, and why no Canadian has ever gone bankrupt because of medical bills. And all of the media should start saying how much it costs to go to a doctor in these other top industrialized countries: Nothing. Zip. It's FREE. Don't patronize Americans by saying, "Well, it's not free -- they pay for it with taxes!" Yes, we know that. Just like we know that we drive down a city street for FREE -- even though we paid for that street with our taxes. The street is FREE, the book at the library is FREE, if your house catches on fire, the fire department will come and put it out for FREE, and if someone snatches your purse, the police officer will chase down the culprit and bring your purse back to you -- AND HE WON'T CHARGE YOU A DIME FROM THAT PURSE!
These are all free services, collectively socialized and paid for with our tax dollars. To argue that health care -- a life and death issue for many -- should not be considered in the same league is ludicrous and archaic. And trust me, once you add up what you pay for out-of-pocket in premiums, deductibles, co-pays, overpriced medicines, and treatments that aren't covered (not to mention all the other things we pay for like college education, day care and other services that many countries provide for at little or no cost), we, as Americans, are paying far more than the Canadians or Brits or French are paying in taxes. We just don't call these things taxes, but that's exactly what they are." http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2007-07-17
The bottom line is simple. If you have a heart attack in Canada you won;t go bankrupt. In the US you are looking at $100,000 bill. For rich people $100,000 is like $3.00 to me but to most people $100,000 is bankruptcy. I can tell you this -- the amount of EXTRA taxes you pay(over what you pay in the United States) in any Socialized country over your entire lifetime would not come close to $100,000.00.
Americans still pay relatively high income tax and state taxes and property taxes -- the difference is the money is not going to keeping you alive. So if you're rich you like it the way it is -- after all you got yours screw everyone else.
Interestingly the right wing goes after Moore for his money and nice home but unlike MOST of the rich elitists he was not born with a silver spoon up his ass and puts himself on the firing line. That is what a TRUE patriot does -- not the folks who wrap themselves in the flag and blow the "you're with us or against us" routine. These are the same people who would rat out their neighbors in Nazi Germany.
Indeed, The right wing Republican establishment learned a LOT from history -- they learned a lot from Joseph Goebbels.
Well, at least it a post without heat against myself.
A sensible post.
z
I could not use his faux leather pant as a sign of mourning the lost of Victor, here...
I do hope a momentary lost...
I always thought your's & Victor's performances here were au natural, bare on class and substance. ;0)
AuPh
Poor little thing..
You're the feller mourning his momentary lost[sic], whatever that's supposed to mean. If you're going to sing his praises, then please try to NOT be so sensitive about it.
Ciao,
AuPh
nt
Nothing I said in the prior post related to homosexuality except in your imagination. I was speaking metaphorically. You DO know what a metaphor is, don't you, m'boy? ;0)
AuPh
You donīt need a link for that one, do you?
I suppose you were raised in a surrounding were it was cool to be an homophope, now how da fit with your pseudo Left being?
BTW, mon ami, one can't help but notice that Stale, in response to RGA above, tore you and Clark a new anus (now it matches the size of your egos).FTR, you both come off looking like world class jerks (insensitive bastards) for pre-judging Sicko based on your personal dislike of Moore, but that shouldn't surprise anyone. So-called "compassionate conservatives" who get their kicks shooting the messenger when they don't like the message are a dime a dozen, and they tend to be the same breed of arrogant self-aggrandizing bottom feeder the world over!
Sad, very sad. Tsk, tsk.
Regards,
AuPh
It seems that the heat that was always present in our exchanges has coll down.
Why is this?
A question of habit?
Or a certain understanding of the other...
Well that can not go on, as becoming like an old couple is the boring of all bored, if I may say so, and I does.
So try a new little music, that could help to wake me up...
I feel not in the mood today for reading or having to discuss MM further.
But as an old friend, one with fantasy, you could...answer for me...
;0)
As I canīt hardly remember any post at all from you without editing.
I never show it up because Iwas too gentleman for it.
Now that I am becoming an asshole...
Trust me, it isn't that becoming. ;^D
AuPh
nt
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