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In Reply to: RE: Moore: right on the two greatest contemporary American issues, posted by tinear on July 14, 2007 at 15:18:11
Cīmon Tin donīt be blind! He is a lousy film maker, who is so untrue to journalism as one can be, that do include that he does not have some points.
His films are made for the political fanatical.
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deep concerns (among Americans).
We have massive corporate brainwashing in this country and Moore is the sole voice of dissent.
He's been right.
Now, care to argue his facts or the major one that he was right about Iraq?
Guess what: he's more than right about our crappy health care system, too.
Not even the republicans will argue about the health care (well except the rich ones).
I would argue that Bill Maher is also doing his part. He is doing the show Real Time with Bill Maher on HBO. Bill does not have the draw of a Michael Moore.
There is no point in preaching to the brainwashed. If people still support bush and the War in Iraq - then you may as well try and discuss the theory of relativity with someone with an IQ half that of Forest Gump!
Critical thinking requires one ignore the person and read the information being presented. What I see is personal attacks on the man's weight, appearance, the way he speaks but not what he says, writes, thinks.
Maher is more potently against religion and people who do not use reasoned arguments. So religious people will tend to be offended by Maher and his Libertarian views. But there is a "simplify everything to black and white" policy in right wing religious thinking. Saddam Bad Kill. Socialism Bad Stop.
Reading Michael Moore opposition website forums the strawman arguments are endless. Reading some writer for Slate Christopher something it is quite apparent that attacking the man and using lots of discrediting remarks is easier than actually building coherent arguments against the truth.
The scary thing for the part of the population that truly is intelligent enough not to believe the likes of Bush is that they are in the minority.
I find it funny that the same people who hate Moore because he stumbles over some words in an interview with no real preparation as to what he will be asked are the same people who vote for the likes of Bush who when he knows all the questions in advance and has a teleprompter to read from speaks so much worse than your average 9 year old girl from Britain -- but like I said --perhaps Mike needs to do a film about the education system. A stupid population continues to support right wing religious Pat Robertson folk though so education is WAY down the list of something to improve.
He was right about Irak?
No he was not.
What is right is the missmanagement of the after war.
I am more than happy that SH and his sons are gone for ever.
And what is if at some point SH would have get if not killed weapons of MD?
Gazing his own people was no problem for him was it not.
But all this is forgotten....
The fact is RM is a pretentious brain washer.
Now for his last film...I never will see it...
It is a miss opportunity to be intelligent & critical and some kind of humour.
Look at Gore!
He look like a teeny whoppy, almost a teen fan.
Peinlich.
He was right about Irak?
I don't know if he was right about IRAK but he was right about IRAQ. Don't worry like most Bush devotees - Bush couldn't find it on the map or spell it either. Since it was America who installed Saddam Hussein as dictator of Iraq in the first place -- you could say America was to blame for putting a power hungry killer in charge and gassing hundreds of thousands of people. (right wing government too BTW)
"What is right is the missmanagement of the after war."
Ohh yeah and the fact that it is the WRONG country - but again Geographically inept. Iraq, Afghanistan those darn Arabs what's the difference right?
"I am more than happy that SH and his sons are gone for ever."
I agree - no one is going to miss them - but there is a bigger picture here that needs to be addressed. It sets a terrible precedence to ignore the UN and attack sovereign nations without "hard" evidence. Especially when they KNEW that it was Bin Laden in Afghanistan. Canada and several other countries went with the US to get Bin Laden and try to kill/capture the 9/11 orchestrator. Canada and others rightly said piss off when it was time to go to Iraq.
And before you say anything about Hussein let's see how evil the new guy is when he becomes dictator. Sooner or later the US will have to leave.
"And what is if at some point SH would have get if not killed weapons of MD?
Gazing his own people was no problem for him was it not."
George Bush letting 18,000 American die every year for not having social healthcare does not seem to bother him much. 8 years times 18,000 by the time he is through not to mention the American soldiers fighting in a war they should not have been in. Quite the tally.
"But all this is forgotten."
Yes it seems the Bush supporters have forgotten.
In German it is Irak so sorry to have you made sweat about this word...
And how many did Clinton let die, not having the strengh to change anything.
You can not think and talk lihe this.
This absurd.
But the fact remain. Moore is a terrible director if one at all.
And his films are not worth the celluloid they are print on.
"In German it is Irak so sorry to have you made sweat about this word...
Ahh the Germans talking about what to do with dictators -- that's a laugh.
"And how many did Clinton let die, not having the strengh to change anything."
Clinton had no direct reason to attack Hussein. Neither did Bush. Bush has set a precedence. He can take you from your bed and have you shot whether you live in Germany or anywhere else under the guise of "war on terror." He can arrest any American citizen for no cause and without a warrant all in the name of "terrorism." And he can do it with ZERO evidence or proof. DO you think this is a good thing?
And why is it Clinton's job? It is the job of the people of Iraq to overthrow their own leaders if they don't like them. One can not impose a civil war.
"But the fact remain. Moore is a terrible director if one at all."
Yeah all those snootie awards he wins might say otherwise - the vast majority of people Like Michael Moore and his films...including and most importantly his fellow directors. You know peers - people who direct movies for a living.
What movie have you made? What degree from an established university do you hold that would make me believe you have any insight on film making.
The only sentance of yours I would like to catch on is: The Germans talking about....
So you think a German because as such should not talk about dictactors?
You must be an extreme Right wing something....
A humor. Of course that's the line you go after...
You have presented no case against Sicko or Michael Moore.
But then I should remember to:
"never get into a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent."
had it only had the resolve?
Britain, too, should have maintained its control over India. Spain never should have "conceded" S. and C. America. Nor should Portugal have carelessly let its African colonies slip away.
Patrick, you're old.
History has left you stumbling around your crusty library, port in hand, muttering about the Ancient Regime.
Moore was absolutely correct about Iraq. See the film again. All of it FACTUAL.
You know, I suspect, little or nothing about American health care.
Gore is correct about global warming, of course.
The future has impaled you like a cow on the front of a speeding train.
What could one possibly respond to that?
OH!
MUH....
you are either 13 years old or you just think like one -- and that insults some of the 13 year olds I know.
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