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For the Bergman bashers...

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...here's a headline that will really stick in your craw! From Salon online mag:

Remembering Bergman

Ingmar Bergman changed the face of filmmaking -- and may have been the 20th century's greatest artist.

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The operative phrase is "...may have been...". - Audiophilander 10:29:00 07/31/07 (1)
> > > "For the Bergman bashers..." < < <
I'm neither a fan nor basher of Bergman's films, but I can think of many filmmakers who are more deserving of that mantle in spite of Bergman's rich repertoire of lauded work.
> > > "Ingmar Bergman changed the face of filmmaking -- and may have been the 20th century's greatest artist." < < <
Assuming the context of "artist" to be specific to cinema, examples of other highly regarded filmmakers with a body of work of similar distinction:
Charles Chaplin
F.W. Murnau
Erich Von Stroheim
Joseph Von Sternberg
Fritz Lang
Billy Wilder
Stanley Kubrick
Chuck Jones > ;0B
...and individual masterpieces arguably superior to Bergman's best:
Orson Welles: Citizen Kane
Carl Theodore Dreyer: The Passion of Joan of Arc
F.W. Murnau: Sunrise
Abel Gance: Napoleon
Fritz Lang: M
Terry Gilliam: Brazil
Peter Jackson: LoTR trilogy ;0)
Bergman is primarily remembered today for that chess match he filmed between a returning knight and The Grim Reaper in The Seventh Seal even though his accomplishments certainly exceed one memorable concept. Note: My favorite line about Bergman came from the funky looking bug-eyed Mantis character that hosted a late night monster movie series on TNT back in the early 90's, and I quote: "It ain't Bergman, but things blow up!"
When it comes right down to it there are only a couple of his films that I've gone out of my way to watch (The Seventh Seal; Virgin Spring), but that's due to my interest in period dramas, supernatural fantasy and historical fiction. Regardless, it's certainly fair to revere the Director's vision and creative talent.
AuPh

Edits: 07/31/07
- RE: (pete Jackson better than...Who? - patrickU 11:45:45 07/31/07 (0)
  That was really cool!
Oh for pete's sake...the 20th Century ?? Get real - DWPC 09:36:57 07/31/07 (3)
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When you're circling the drain, it doesn't really matter whether you're spinning to the left or the right.
- Not for a second, the real man of the century is... - dave c 00:59:55 08/02/07 (0)
  ...
  
  Shot at 2007-08-02
  
  Edits: 08/02/07
- ELVIS! ...? - Audiophilander 11:14:24 07/31/07 (1)
  ELVIS! Aw, c'mon, he was a rhinestone studded Vegas sell-out.
  There are so many 20th century artists who could lay claim that title:
  music icons:
  Chuck Berry
  Little Richard
  Jim Morrison
  Lennon/McCartney
  ...but my choice would be JIMI as greatest 20th century musical artist
  If we're talking about actual art, then it might be...
  Pablo Picasso
  Salvidor Dali
  Maxfield Parrish
  ...or that dude who paints those gambling dogs. ;0)
  If we're talking about literature, then...
  Isaac Asimov
  Kurt Vonnegut
  William S. Burroughs
  ...and the best author hands down would probably be Mark Twain (late 19th early 20th), with Rachel Caine running a close second (hey, she's my wife; I leave her out at risk of grievous bodily harm! ;^D)
  Note: My choices would lean towards American literary artists and to a lesser extent musical artists based upon exposure and appreciation, but traditional art and film is a triffle (truffle? -smile) more international. FTR, I dislike lists almost as much as I dislike the subjective chutzpah of Salon proclaiming the greatest artist of the 20th century was Ingmar Bergman; that's why I contributed one! (grin)
  AuPh
  
  Edits: 07/31/07
  - Gotcha! * - DWPC 11:26:19 07/31/07 (0)
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    When you're circling the drain, it doesn't really matter whether you're spinning to the left or the right.
What?? - C.B. 08:31:15 07/31/07 (5)
I'll go along with "changed the face of filmmaking", but "20th century's greatest artist"? That's going a bit too far, IMO.

Are we forgetting Picasso, Matisse, Joyce, Hemingway, Faulkner, D.H. Lawrence, Mahler, Stravinsky, Bartok, Casals, Horowitz, Heifetz, Caruso, Callas, Milanov, Bjorling, Melchior, Birgit Nilsson, Joan Sutherland, Louis Armstrong, Billie Holliday, Theolonius Monk, and.....(add your own favorites)??
- Frank Lloyd Wright... nt - clarkjohnsen 08:48:23 07/31/07 (4)
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  - He made movies too?? * - DWPC 11:14:39 07/31/07 (3)
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    When you're circling the drain, it doesn't really matter whether you're spinning to the left or the right.
    - At least as many as "Picasso, Matisse, Joyce, Hemingway, Faulkner, D.H. Lawrence..." nt - clarkjohnsen 08:39:51 08/01/07 (0)
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    - One degree of separation & only in the abstract: Gary Cooper's take on Howard Roark from Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead. - Audiophilander 11:33:06 07/31/07 (1)
      ;^)
      - attempting to blow up a tower block... - dave c 13:42:37 08/02/07 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: One degree of separation & only in the abstract: Gary Cooper's take on Howard Roark from Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead. posted by Audiophilander on July 31, 2007 at 11:33:06
        
        ... personal integrity or Al Quaeda?
RE: Do you know one? - patrickU 08:26:40 07/31/07 (0)
Let me know...

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