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In Reply to: RE: Sokurov's, "Moloch." The best film I've seen about Hitler posted by tinear on November 12, 2007 at 13:11:54
I hated Moloch, and I hated its sister - Telets.
Interestingly, just a couple of days ago we watched the Russian documentary - Vasya. I strongly recommend it to you, knowing your interests and love for arts.
There was a strong wave of that type of anti-humanist art that appeared in the USSR in the mid-seventies. Some of it was wonderful, most of it non-conformist, but unfortunately, it quickly took a nasty turn, and Vasya (Vassilij Sytnikov), and Sokurov to large degree represent that anti-humanist wing. For some unexplained reason it dominates the modern Russian art, and to many Westerners it represents its soul.
It is meant to be shocking, unpleasant, and to significant degree - regurgitation of novel works of the surrealist and expressionist art.
I dislike it with passion.
In the same vein is the Ostrov:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0851577/
Art like this tends to be heavily Russophile, in spite of often being anti-communist. It is dark, gloomy, torturous... all the things that one often finds in works of Bergman and Tarkovsky, except there is so much more in works of those other artists.
In Vasya (man, you MUST rent it!) you will see the "traditional" Russian motives, those of constantly drunk anti-social beast, tireless fucker and a person with no ideals, or distorted ideals... Rasputin, or his modern day reincarnation - Vasya.
So much of it is based on fascination with that sort of dirt, that it itself becomes revolting, for it is no longer just the portrayal of the grim reality, it is now part of it.
So this, in short, is why I don't like Sokurow.
Follow Ups:
The beginning scenes of Eva exercising; the dinner; the picnic; the cleric and Adolph provided invaluable sight into worthless lives, without purpose except instant gratification. Long periods of tedium and exhaustion and then frenetic activity.
By de-mythologizing the beast, Sokurov has created a Hitler every bit as powerful as the historical image and yet, in so doing, he has robbed the man of his mystique, his larger-than-life persona, leaving a physically sick, egomaniacal, and horrid picture.
But that's too cerebral: I think the film works as art, as entertainment.
"Vasya" already was in my queue.
I have around 15 Russian films yet in it.
I didn't, by the way, find "The Second Circle" anti-humanist.
Rather, in the tender sentiments the young man showed his dead father, I saw the deepest human feelings. The scene where he adjusted his father's eyes was, to me, incredibly powerful.
I haven't seen The Second Circle, but in your Russian binge, do not overlook this one:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072231/
A Russian revolutionary super-hero, inspired no doubt by The Good, The Bad and the Ugly, with Nikita Mikhalkov playing one of the bad guys, and what a joy when he gets his justice!
He is a real scumbag, I mean - in real life... brown nosing Putin to no end, signing a petition to beg Putin to remain in power.
Anyway... not a bad action flick.
as the very entertaining, "Zhmurki," which I recommend for the fun factor. I have a "Train" film of his on my Netflix queue.
I'll try and find your suggested film: I'd guess he's not the director?
He WAS the director of that one.
But I can't stand his face any longer. "Train"? Never heard of that one... you sure it is his?
asd
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