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In Reply to: RE: Yes, and the secretary, his wife, the girlfriend, the therapists, etc. posted by tinear on February 26, 2008 at 06:52:24
And is it so hard to imagine a good looking editor of that country's most famous fashion magazine having a good looking wife, girlfriend & secretary?
That picture was of one of the therapists... if he wrote that the others were also beautiful how would you have them portrayed?"You can safely assume you have created God in your own image when he hates all the same people you do."
Follow Ups:
Alejadinho: great sculptor w/ no hands (tools taped to his wrists).
Self-promoting womanizer and editor of a execrable rag who happens to have suffered a debilitating accident?
Trite.
I got dizzy from all the look-alike blue-eyed beauties. It was like looking through Elle magazine, for god's sakes. Say, do you have a subscription?
You haven't answered: what spoke to you, specifically, about the film?
A far better film of a man in a similar position stars Javier Bardem, "The Sea Inside."
Not a very good film, mind you, but much more insightful.
How much less beautiful should he have made them... I mean I know it's very fine line because if they'd crossed the line (your line) into "ugly" then half the post would've been about that.For the record... there were things about the film that bothered me... like the trip to Lourdes. What was the point of it? They didn't demonstrate in any way that it had some effect on his life... were we just supposed to see that he thought his girlfriend was nutty? If so, why... where did that thought or realization lead? As a stand alone anecdote it just felt kind of vague and empty... maybe that's it! Maybe it was a metaphor for how he felt.
I also wasn't crazy about JS' artistic interpretations of Bauby's inner/imaginative world. That imagery didn't really resonate for me. I thought the film was much stronger when sticking with his POV and occasional views of other people (like his father... say, what did you think of MVS' performance?).
But overall it was moving just because as a human being, seeing someone overcome such an incredibly - unimaginably emotional and psychologically debilitating - condition to find a way to communicate and express, beautifully, what's it's like to be there and a growing awareness of the beauty he had in his life, was moving. That it was done so well, both by the film-makers and actors only made it more so.
Did you not notice that the impetus for him to express himself thusly came from realizing how much love and beauty he had in his life and how he'd taken it for granted/and or had been willing to throw it away? That he was overwhelmed by the fact that after all that and in his 'un-wantable' condition he was still loved and surrounded with beauty? I'm guessing you probably see that as weakness on the part of the people in his life who loved him... to me it speaks to a basic decency he must have had despite his caddish behaviour.
Oh... and one more thing. About the beautiful women... even if they were a bit of an exaggeration we were seeing them through Bauby's eyes/mind... he was a sensual, confident womanizer (to a point) and it was part of his prison to have the experience of desiring them, and wanting contact and intimacy with them but being trapped in a body that couldn't communicate any of that... it also part of his experience that as beautiful women they were interested in him not because he was handsome and successful but because he was helpless.
Sometimes, when you quickly reject a movie out of hand based on social and/or political bias, you miss a lot (just ask JI).
"You can safely assume you have created God in your own image when he hates all the same people you do."
much more, to like it.
I thought The Swede's performance was pretty good, what there was of it. Hell, I'd have been happy for two hours of HIM! As it was, he didn't have enough to do, say. Most of his time was spent in silently being shaved.
I don't want to drum the beautiful woman thing too much: we disagree. EVERY woman was beautiful. Every one. Even the transcriber, for goodness' sake.
Lourdes? He was a massive heel to her during the visit and after it, too.
Some people are so scared of death they will live on no matter what. In and of itself, I find them no more or less interesting than someone like Bardem's character in Sea Inside. What makes a character interesting is novel thoughts, novel actions in trite circumstances.
It's hard to make a film about a person in terrible circumstances because we all know it's not going to be difficult not to become a pity fest. It's like having a puppy or cute kid as a lead character, the emotional blackmail. This film didn't pass that test for me: the character found beauty around him? Uh, superficial appearances is all the guy ever noticed. Whoopee!
An autobiography doesn't have to be just about you. Those are the bad ones. Reagan's for instance. The good ones talk about the subjects's friends, acquaintances, etc. We learned nothing about anyone but the guy. And he didn't reveal much about himself except that he was selfish. It seems he remained so, didn't it? I mean the question sincerely. No thoughts about how much he was hurting the mother of his kids by continuing speaking to his woman on the side. All about him.
Not a remarkable guy.
Or story.
Helen Keller, now, THAT'S a rip-roaring story.
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"You can safely assume you have created God in your own image when he hates all the same people you do."
Glad you don't take these "discussions" to heart.
I'm typing this by using a cursor inserted into my nostril which I then lower over the keyboard. Years ago, after a Bush speech, I suffered a massive stroke and I only can lower or raise my head a tiny bit. Occasionally, my very ugly attendant cleans the snot off the keyboard and the cursor.
Honestly when I think about the film, it just captured me visually, emotionally and atmospherically. I really didn't think about or evaluate it all that much... just went along for the ride.
"You can safely assume you have created God in your own image when he hates all the same people you do."
bleep
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