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Boy, what an outstanding movie -
it's set in 1984 East Germany; a STASI officer suspects a renowned producer and playwright of working against the Big Government... at one point, there's an interrogation scene between an associate of his and a STASI officer... "the government gave you your education, government gave you your job, government made you famous, provided your healthcare, provided for your pension... and this is how you thank your government?"...
Unreal how that resonates in 2008 - look at the political left in this country... big government under Bush II, even bigger government under Clinton / Obama... more, more, more... Obama and Clinton both promising people jobs, pensions, healthcare...
Amazing!
As someone who has lived, seen and grown up under socialism and communism it's amazing to see how little we learn...
Great, great movie... most highly recommended! A+++
Follow Ups:
...in the closing line. Classic film. Amazing lead performance, so understated with his humanity shown in the consequences of his actions and not so much in an outward change of personality which to me is the downfall of many hollywood character movies.
I love this film.
c
...but maybe not what you have in mind. Cheesy I know, but I kinda liked Hannibal's "I'm having an old friend for dinner".
No?
x
N/T
"...You're all welcome to stay for the next set...we're going to play all the same tunes, but in different keys..." -Count Basie
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After all the Jews left or were killed, Germany pre war cinema and theater almost died.
Now after all this years, it is rising again.
This film is an example of the new begining, for many Fassbinders to come and those who already are here.
Actors, actresses of this new generation will make many waves.
Look out.
" Mieux vaut une tête bien faite qu'une tête bien pleine."
we don't want a repeat performance of "Triumph of the Will"
About time German cinema came back; I was pretty impressed with Der Untergang ( tho' Bruno Ganz is Swiss )Perhaps there is a young Kinski and Herzog out there who will collaborate to give us some brilliantly mad films
I just finished the Alexanderplatz DVD and while it takes a while to get into Biberkopfs world, and he's an antihero it takes a lot to feel any sympathy for; it's a trip that's well worth taking ( a Masterpiece )
Yes: More German cinema, please!Grins
d
but a quick glance at the Net it looks like my kind of film, like a "Silverado" from the 1930'sLately the best of this genre I've seen is "Streets of Laredo" which is an adaptation of a Larry McMurtry novel and stars James Garner, Sissy Spacek, Sam Shepard and Randy Quaid as a *very* entertaining John Wesley Hardin
Made for TV, but it's a real Gem
Best!
Grins
x
To hell with that bitch.
Untergang- was an Hollywood in the pejorative sense, film.
A bit as The Pianist.
No wait there a lot to come and to look forth, I bet!
" Mieux vaut une tête bien faite qu'une tête bien pleine."
...in that role.
Of course that avoids confronting the fact that Lenin, Stalin & Crew murdered tens of millions in their progressive, ah, enthusiasms, far eclipsing the relatively puny efforts of the Germans. Yet they largely remain above criticism. Why is that?
clark
"relatively puny efforts of the Germans."
Puny efforts eh? You're really some kind of a screwball Johnsen, you're seriously fucked up.
z
I don't think even the biggest nazi sympathizing idiot would characterize the second world war as a "puny effort", though it's obvious you were referring to the Holocaust.
-------------Call it, friendo.
have a look at the speeches Vaclav Klaus gives... most recently I saw him being interviewed on MSNBC I think... fascinating perspectives...
ironic: they are trying anything and everything to move away from communist / socialist states, while we apparently are drunk for more government role in our lives.
History?
You are confused.
We have the Rule of Law, property rights and rights as an individual and a free market.
The USSR had a currency that was controlled, the Russian people were not supposed to exchange rubles for the money of other countries. Most of the trade between Russia and other countries was barter.
The state owned property, and there was no real legal system in the sense that we think of.
It was vastly different from what we have. Have you ever been in a Communist country? The differences jump at you.
as to whether or not I have been to a communist country, I have been and plenty of times.
not only that, but my family grew up in one.
you better know what you are getting yourself into in case you wish to "debate" me...
It is fairly common for people that leave a Communist country to embrace the opposite extreme politically. I call it Ayn Rand Syndrome.
Sound like anyone you know?
A teacher of mine in elementary school back in the mid 60s predicted that in the near future the Cold War would end, and Russian and the US (along with many other countries) would "meet in the middle" reaching a point somewhere inbetween Capitalism and Socialism.
z
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But none of these former Soviet bloc countries have given up national health care.
my family is a recipient of it...
unless of course people here think that the "government" will suddenly spring for their dental bridge work, major operations performed in timely fashion with proper pre and post care, etc...
you are fooling yourself... if that's what you think national healthcare is...
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Maybe because of the Iron wall...And the love of intelectuals for the Left.
" Mieux vaut une tête bien faite qu'une tête bien pleine."
c
was actually under the type of investigation he portrays in the movie. Also he recently died, RIP.
Agreed an excellent movie and nearly as good as Army of Shadows IMO.
My favorite movie of recent years, highly recommended
I saw a trailer of this film; its one I need to see.
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