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In Reply to: RE: Fresh Musings on Kubrick’s Monument for the Ages: 2001 posted by halfnote on May 10, 2008 at 21:52:06
And Clarke was in on it.
Recently revealed data, photographic and otherwise, show that more was going on, on the moon, than NASA has ever admitted. Their role (and they never were the "civilian" agency they pretended to be) was to conceal, rather than to reveal.
But anyone who might have said so would have been ridiculed, ridicule being a major weapon wielded by the settled establishment, so the authors resorted to that most excellent subterfuge -- telling the truth, as fiction. That way it sinks more deeply into everyones' minds.
Reflect on how the movie opens, with the apes (ourselves?) roaming around, how they got here being unknown. Then the scene shifts to the Moon and these mysterious panels that are thought to have preceded us all, ape and man alike, and maybe have in a sense caused us.
And now we find on the Moon, as possibly on Mars, artifactual evidence of structures of astounding majesty. Only, they've been erased from the photographic record, and other shots substituted. Only, copies were made before the "anomalies" were noticed, and these copies remain in circulation.
But NASA has no interest in the new field of extraterrestial archeology; their mission is to deny, deny, deny. Just like the men in the movie. The men, in lots of movies!
clark
Follow Ups:
One fact cannot be denied, many, many photos taken of the moon have been obviously doctored, often poorly. There are many examples. I am not speaking of the rediculous "the moon landing was actually in a studio theory" which is obviously wrong.
We'll have to agree to disagree about human caused global warming until the next global cooling scare comes along.
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That crap is as lame as the "Face on Mars" being an alien artifact.
Maybe higher resolution photography would make the aliens go away?
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"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." - Albert Einstein
Ever flip a high resolution "Face on Mars" on its head? (To my eye it looks like a Roswell "alien".)
Spin a crop circle? Sometimes it creates a 3-D moving picture depending upon rotational speed.
Like a child's puzzle -- fun and eye-opening.
Scorn and mockery are their singular delights.
clark
What is doctored about them?
You say, "Many photos taken of the moon have been obviously doctored." You got any proof of that? No? Then SHUT UP. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THIS! YOU MUST BE OUT OF YOUR MIND TO THINK THE GOVERNMENT, ESPECIALLY UNDER A DEMOCRATIC ADMINISTRATION, COULD EVER ENGAGE IN SUCH SHENANIGANS! YOU ARE RIDICULOUS! YOU LIVE IN A FANTASY WORLD! OR YOU ARE PARODYING ME!
Relax, pal, I'm only trying to head the usual suspects off at the pass.
So, the moon photos. I happen to have some expertise in this field. Not only do they look doctored, they look absolutely faked. Many of 'em anyway. It's one of those things where if you have them on the table you can explain it to others, but lacking the evidence they'll hoot and holler that you must be nuts.
Great education system we have huh?
Their profoundest worry I think is, that if the photos are fake then MAYBE WE DIDN'T GO TO THE MOON AFTER ALL AND WE'VE BEEN LIED TO ALL THESE YEARS BY A GOVERNMENT WE'VE (BOO HOO) TRUSTED, AT LEAST WHEN IT WASN'T RUN BY EVIL REPUBLICANS.
(Sorry, there I go again...)
I've been on record for years on these fora with my doubts about the photography, and from time to time certain vile inmates have accused me of saying we didn't go to the moon -- which I very carefully refrained from saying.
So: I am not speaking of the rediculous "the moon landing was actually in a studio theory" which is obviously wrong. Beg to differ. (You are I assume talking about the videos.) It could all very well have been staged on a, ah, sound stage. In fact, it probably was! Did you know that NASA claims to have *lost* the original higher-rez tapes? So all we have is the blurry stuff? Betcha they were scared of renegade image analysts queering their game.
Still, withall, that does not mean we (and I use the term "we" loosely) did not get there, sooner or later. Did you know there are questions whether film can pass unprotected through the radiation belts and remain unfogged? So NASA had this need to show some results to the public, and what could be easier than slipping in a few shots made locally?
There are many reasons imaginable for faking them, but the one that disturbs the naysayers most hugely, is that NASA/DOD could be hiding what's actually up there. All they have to do is read some of the Hoagland material (the book to read, Dark Mission: The Secret History of NASA) and they'll have a pretty good grasp of the enormity of the problem. Your proffered site is a good start, but I object to its inclusion under the rubric "paranormal". Extraterrestial archeology is perfectly normal!
clark
The book to read on the photography is here:
http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Moon-Whistle-Blowers-Mary-Bennett/dp/0932813909/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1210711234&sr=1-1
The pointer below is to Dark Mission, and I quote the first part of a review:
Dark Mission by Richard C. Hoagland
Book Review by Dr. Ali Fant, WB5WAF, 12DE2007
This review is from the perspective of a former NASA Manned Spaceflight Controller, so it is more technical than expository. I first encountered Hoagland's claims through the NASA Technical Alert Briefing viewed by many controllers at the Johnson Space Center in 1989-90, found his claims creditable, and then discovered the briefing tape "disappeared" from the closed JSC Technical Library - from both the open card catalog and the closed shelf listing catalog. As a former university library page, I was shocked to find all references to the briefing tape we controllers viewed were gone two years later. When I began investigating the matter, I was told in no uncertain terms to cease any search for the missing library records.
Key Findings from Dark Mission:
1. NASA is a defense agency of the US Government per the original agency charter.
2. NASA withholds data of non-human intelligence for the good of human society per "Brookings."
3. Brookings Institution advised US in 1959 report "Proposed Studies on the Implications of Peaceful Space Activities for Human Affairs" to beware social-economic chaos resulting from alien artifacts found on the Moon or Mars as the 1938 "War of the Worlds" radio broadcast traumatized America.
4. Arthur C. Clarke based the 1968 novel/film "2001: A Space Odyssey" on the Brookings Report.
Strange.
I haven't read this copy yet, but a search for the word "alien" came up empty!
Shirley, a censored copy!
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"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." - Albert Einstein
> > A search for the word "alien" came up empty!
Amazing. But then, you're not a serious reader or researcher apparently.
Just another hoot-and-hollerer without a shred of experience in the field, who thinks he knows it all and feels justified therefore to mock anyone who says different.
That's alright, you'd have done the same to Giordano Bruno and Galileo -- and have had the whole of the mighty Church behind you.
LOL!
clark
NYT, ... "Brookings Report" ... yada, yada, yada..."Just another hoot-and-hollerer without a shred of experience in the field, who thinks he knows it all and feels justified therefore to mock anyone who says different.
"That's alright, you'd have done the same to Giordano Bruno and Galileo -- and have had the whole of the mighty Church behind you."
Says the creationist.
You can be hilarious, sometimes!
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"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." - Albert Einstein
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...when exposed to new and contrary information.
And even when it isn't in any field of their own "expertise". Maybe, especially when.
The bleaters might do themselves a favor and examine the controversy surrounding the infamous Brookings Report of 1961.
Arthur Clarke and Stanley Kubrick, well acquainted with that document, collaborated to produce a film that would sink into the minds of a generation inculcated by their government not to accept the evidence before their very eyes. (It didn't help that the government altered the evidence wherever possible.)
"2001" -- The classic 1968 movie depicting a future "NASA’s" history-changing discovery of extraterrestrial artifacts … which it then promptly "covers up" … because of National Security … including, from the very astronauts sent to investigate the evidence themselves!
Arthur C. Clarke himself said that there must be a period of preparation before certain disturbing truths can be revealed to the public. Did their movie jump the gun? Or was it part of the, ah, preparation?
Most folks, as we see, prefer to dodge the larger questions.
clark
orejones,
The March, 2008 "Alien Digest" reports: "The good news is the brain shrinkage rate has slowed considerably and the flatulence has reduced to 31 cu. ft. @ 4,200 ml/cu.ft. of butylic acid methane per day. Fortunately for "Mr. J", he's now under the care of the grey, big-eyed human aliens and not the scaly lizard type who botched that brain transplant operation on him in 1988. Mr. J, known for decades on Mars as an enthusiastic supporter of analytical anal probing of humans, recently donated $42 to the Olympus Mons clinic."
It's very kind of you to express the concern we've all had for Clark's continuing mental and emotional decline.
Cheers,
Bambi B
Because it betrays a woeful ignorance of the topic, overlaid with an unbecoming sneery schoolmarmishness. And if that's true here, then what is one to think of the "expertise" that you portray yourself as having, elsewhere on these fora?
clark
It was parody wasn't it?
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