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McCabe and Mrs Miller? Rio Bravo isn't as good as El Dorado...

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In Reply to: RE: Westerns posted by Tom Brennan on August 30, 2008 at 18:47:20

MCCABE AND MRS MILLER This wasn't on a list yet ??? A great movie and there is no reason it doesn't qualify as a "Western". One of the first Westerns I remember (other then Shane) where the West is dirty, muddy and makeshift. I also like how realistic and clumsy the gunfights are portrayed. I can watch McCabe once a month.
EL DORADO -more realized then Rio Bravo -Mitchum's performance of the alcoholic sheriff is outstanding (deeper then Martin's) and Ricky Nelson couldn't act worth a bean. Mitchum and Caan's character (with his sawed-off shotgun) tip the scales quite a bit for Dorado over Rio. I'll give Jill St John and Angie Dickinson a draw. It's kind of fun that they are both basically- the same movie.
ONCE UPON TIME IN THE WEST (Leones greatest Western and Morricones greatest soundtrack)
RED RIVER
ONE EYED JACKS
SHANE
THE BIG COUNTRY
THE MAN WHO SHOT LIBERTY VALANCE
THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY
...and any post Leone, Eastwood directed Western usually has too much rape, torture, whipping, sadism and gratuitous violence to be deemed as a "good movie" - in my opinion.

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Pretty good list (agree on "McCabe")-but fourteen (so far) edits? - powermatic 16:13:35 09/08/08 (2)
Makes me wonder what the original list looked like.
(-: There-feel better?

"Dammit..."

Edits: 09/08/08
- Or will "wondering" persist? - Dr Phibes 18:07:19 09/08/08 (1)
  I wanted to convey the differences in Rio verses El. I kept going back to tweak it.
  
  Anyway, to answer your "wonder"...
  
  I added "Good the Bad ..." later, but other then that, my list was exactly as you read it.
  
  Are you okay with that? Or will "wondering" persist?
  - I wa-wa-wa-wa wonder.... - powermatic 19:02:22 09/08/08 (0)
    Loosen up Dr. ThinSkin. I said it was a good list-an appropriate response might have been a chuckle and a "yeah, does seem a bit overboard-but I wanted it to be perfect!" You know, a bit of self deprecation?
    
    I'll tell you what-I'll edit a squinky-face onto my post so you'll know it's all just good clean fun.
    
    "Dammit..."
RE: McCabe and Mrs Miller? Rio Bravo isn't as good as El Dorado... - Tom Brennan 07:39:27 09/08/08 (0)
Yeah, El Dorado is a very good picture. I like the last line where Mitchum tells Wayne "we don't need your kind around here". And ya gotta love Arthur Hunnicutt in anything, he was a great Davy Crockett in The Last Command.

Rio Lobo is a remake of Rio Bravo too but I don't think it's very good.

Man Without a Star with Kirk Douglas by King Vidor is a good one.
If you like McCabe and Mrs Miller tryThe Claim. - Harmonia 16:18:06 09/07/08 (1)
The Claim, written by Frank Cottrell Boyce and directed by frequent collaborator Michael Winterbottom, has a similar setting and tone as Altman's film (although stylistically they are not close). The plot is a reworking of The Mayor Of Casterbridge - and please don't let that deter you, even if you are allergic to Thomas Hardy. The cinematography is stunning and the performances are all first rate. It's one of my favorite modern westerns.

Boyce and Winterbottom are the team who brought us Welcome to Sarajevo, 24 Hour Party People, Code 46 and Tristram Shandy - A Cock and Bull Story. Winterbottom is one of the most interesting British directors now working IMO.

I waffle on whether I prefer El Dorado or Rio Bravo. I tend to prefer the former, since I think it's a better movie over-all. But RB is always watchable and entertaining.

I love The Big Country, especially the score with its wonderful theme by Jerome Moross (sp?).
- RE: If you like McCabe and Mrs Miller tryThe Claim. - Dr Phibes 16:41:37 09/07/08 (0)
  Thanks for the tip, I saw "24 hour" and liked it. I'm always up for a western!

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