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In Reply to: RE: Salo posted by patrickU on November 14, 2008 at 03:22:00
Pasolini can be strong stuff and Salo in particular is very hard for me to watch even now. I haven't seen it in several years, and I'm not sure how eager I am to see it again soon - although I *will* see it again, especially with the new Criterion out.
Salo is best approached after reading about it from a film history perspective. This is a movie that really does need a guide and context for many viewers. It's a masterpiece, one of the strongest condemntions ever made of fascism, but it's not for casual watching. I understand why many people are unwilling to even try.
Below is one of the most detailed analysis I've ever read about it - there's also quite a bit about Pasolini's other films on this site, Jim's Reviews.
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While Jim Clark list is mostly fabulous, there some curiosity...Like placing The Rules of the Game in the comedy part...
Thank you for THAT link.
I just ordered one of the Surgess ( Preston ) I hardly remember by now,-The miracle of morgan Creek...-
" Mieux vaut une tęte bien faite qu'une tęte bien pleine."
...his ghost must feel to be mentioned in a thread with Salo and Pasolini ;-)
Must see Sturges: The Lady Eve, Palm Beach Story, Sullivan's Travels, The Miracle Of Morgan's Creek. I also enjoy The Great McGinty, though as his first directorial effort it's a bit uneven, still pretty wonderful all told. The other 40's movies are all worth seeing. But see those I mentioned first. I think The Lady Eve is - along with The Philadelphia Story and Some Like It Hot - one of my two greatest, sublime comedies of the forties. Hail The Conquering Hero is a campanion film of sorts to TMoMC and also worth a look. None of these films is quite the fluffy screwball comedy you might think (although they are both hysterically funny)- Sturges gets in quite a few social barbs and astute observations on human nature. They seem uniquely American to me, I'll be interested to hear how they strike you.
Sturges started his Hollywood career as a successful screenwriter and was one of the first of that now uniquitous hyphenate, the writer-director. The Miracle Of Morgan's Creek is a manic, oddball, magical comedy quite unlike most movies of its day. I think Sturges has had quite an effect on modern comedies (e.g. obviously in the early films of Roger Zemeckis and slightly less obviously in the Coen brother's work), except of course Sturges' films are sublimely written - unlike comedy screenplays today.
However he remains a touchstone for contemporary filmmakers, witness the Coen's many references to him, not least the title to "Oh Brother Where Art Thou". The Coens and Sturges share a distinct sense of the absurd, creating unique, all enveloping and slightly off kilter universes. Sturges comedies are tightly constructed, which is a good thing the way he winds up his plots and builds those frenetic climaxes. Expect a mixture of verbal zingers and physical comedy.
What an amazing run of films he had in the 40's, from The Great McGinty in 1940 through Unfaithfully Yours around '49-49...hardly anything like it in the era - so many fresh and original films in such a short a space of time - not unlike like the Archers' run in Britain.
Alas, Sturges' fall was swift and devastating. The last films, the two after The Beautiful Blonde From Bashful Bend, are nigh on unwatchable.
No so sure! I men that his ghost be deranged by the nearness of Sado..He was raised in France ( Sturgess )and there must have been something more un-puritan as the one who has always stayed in the America´s... Maybe.
But you see at his wit then you see he would have support the view of Salo..
The Lady´s Eve is cumulative. And its only weak point his the last third, where it goes for too long.
But how polished and sophisticated and witty his dialogs are, sharp and quick!
Sullivan´s Travel is more a political film, touched with the grace of a " good " communism, one of the few film that are in my first circle ( ! )...
But the best of ll is of course Lubitsch. He is the master, all the rest are just students and imitator with more or less luck ( now I go too far....)
Capra, McCarey, Ruggles, Cukor, Capra and so on with Chaplin as the emperator of his own repertoir.
One day we should make a list of our best film in all genres, without limit/
Just saw yesterday an old one I bought in France, last seen an eternity ago " Ruggles of red Cap " With a dancing Laughton ( he was so homosexual when he walk, later his ways were over looked from the camera, but there it did fit in his butler role.
No there are only traces of this past genius in modern time directors.
I refuse to look for more. I retreat in the past, the kids have no culture, no clue and a good memory is not enough for replacing genius.
No you are wrong. They speak an universal language, and don´t forget we have been raised on American and Italian films, 90 US and the rest to the macaroni...
Unfaithfully Yours I tried it again lately but I don´t like it.
Was not- Les carnets du Major Thompson- his last? Sturgess, I mean.
Anyway hours and hours of fun, wit and love.
Movies and books for ever thank you!
I am in the midst or re- seeing all this old Italian films of my youth. Uneven -
" Mieux vaut une tęte bien faite qu'une tęte bien pleine."
...is that odd bits get left in that one doesn't intend - because obviously Some Like It Hot is a *fifties* comedy, not forties. They are all black and white at least , lol.
No deleting or editing either on borrowed pc where I didn't log in.
You know things are curious some time, some of the time-
AS I was reading above, I thought...Some like it Hot forty? no fifty almost sixty but because of the B and white film it has an older feeling, yeah, that is what I intend to write you.
Now you can see how close we feel when thinking films.
Later to your post for an answer...
" Mieux vaut une tęte bien faite qu'une tęte bien pleine."
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