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to the sex factor in actresses? Not the "nice," pretty types like a Penelope Cruz or an Anne Hatheway, serious actresses, both, who, with their faces covered, wouldn't turn an eye.
No, I mean the Senta Bergers, the Gina Lollas, the Jayne Mansfields (what a perfect name!), and the many other bombshells of yesteryear that had that animal appeal.
Have we become.... girly men?
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or "real women" for that matter. You use the world "real" in this discussion but you're really talking about fantasy characters.
I prefer three dimensional characters both in my friendships and on-screen. Neither my wife or daughter are the least bit "girly" and that's the way I like it. My wife is incredibly good at everything she does and doesn't need to be coquettish to prove her worth. My daughter is a beautiful 17-year old who has never worn makeup. She's also preternaturally smart and intensely musical. As I write this she's attending a jazz piano workshop. They're nothing like the "real" people you allude to.
I would much rather watch female characters like them on screen than fantasy dolls.
Why must you take all this personally? Let's always leave our families out of the way in these discussions, too. That way madness lies.
Best to leave the politics out too. I think your politics started the problem.
Rod
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Not that I know of. Didn't even see the word in your post.
Rod
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Then your comments *were* just tongue in cheek, as another poster suggested. Fair enough.My only point was that using politically charged terms is asking for it on any forum. Look up the term "girly men" in wikipedia, if you still don't know what I mean.
No problem with me, but just wanted to point out a reason it might set things off.
Rod
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That's an old ploy; showing how manly you are by claiming you don't have to show how manly you are.
Only men who are misogynistic pigs who talk about women like they're meat are, in the end, "real men." And if I don't smoke cigars and spit constantly I'm a girly man. A spectacularly self-serving formulation.
"Only men who are misogynistic pigs who talk about women like they're meat are, in the end, "real men." And if I don't smoke cigars and spit constantly I'm a girly man."
OK, if you say so.
Hollywood is fascinated with girlie men. Who's replaced the likes of Burt Lancaster, Robert Mitchum, Gregory Peck, John Wayne, Kirk Douglas, Paul Newman, Charleton Heston?
I guess that's why I like alot of the Brit movies.
Check out "Outpost" with Ray Stephenson. Stephenson exudes that "no shit, I'm a real guy" persona. Even Paul Bettany can be mighty threatening as in "Gangster No. 1". While we're there: Vinnie Jones!
a gritty military vs the werewolves flick.
nice modern day turn on the story.
We got no studio system anymore, yeah! Same goes for the ladies. Times change, tastes change. I've actually had some buddies admit, quietly, that they don't prefer large breasted women! Could have knocked me over with a feather.
Evolve or die. Perhaps someday the pendulum will swing back to boobs and muscles.
What is the problem?
Feeling old?
Why do women have to be... bustier to appeal to "real" men?
You should go and see different films.
Yes, 'she's pretty / she's ugly / I'd like to ...' stuff is pretty juvenile and generally sexist, but appreciating the physical attributes of members of the gender of your choice surely isn't per se. How else would the world go round?! The 'real man' bit was tongue-in-cheek (I'm hoping!).
not Jayne's.
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I'm hardly saying one type of woman is superior. I'm merely bemoaning the lack of the sex pot in films. I didn't choose the physical types that ruled men's libidos for decades.
Still, a flat-chested woman in a t-shirt would have a hard time commanding my attention standing next to Sophia Loren in a burlap bag.
But the time of the moguls is long revoked.
Now we see the business man.
And actions for the sake of action.
" Mieux vaut une tête bien faite qu'une tête bien pleine."
if she were so endowed I doubt you would have ever heard of her.
I thought Penelope Cruz was pretty much so - in a suitably ironic/retro way, of course, given the century we're in! - in Almodovar's Volver.
(Mind you, I thought she was truly stunning in Vanilla Sky, so I guess I don't count as a 'real' man! LOL)
PS Staying with the superficial, Catherine Zeta Jones often reminds me of Claudia Cardinale.
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