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In Reply to: RE: For perhaps an hour, "Revolutionary Road" appears headed posted by tinear on January 26, 2009 at 17:24:21
If you don't care about someone, you can neither love nor hate them.
Indifference is the opposite of both love and hate.
I don't think the abortion scene is anything to do with the issue of abortion amongst the religious right, isn't it in the book?
The film is taken from a book isn't it?
I thought De Caprio's character's faults were writ large throughout as he stands in for the great American male stereotype of the postwar period becoming almost irrelevant to Winslett's character whilst she represents the awakening of "consciousness" amongst American women.
The film is effectively the backdrop to the changes that have happened since the start of the 60s.
Just my take.
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in projecting all sorts of meanings. That's fine, of course, but a work should be consistent and give some basis for interpretation, for discussion. Winslet's character was poorly fleshed out, showing no disenchantment or even much pique with how things must have been. DiCaprio, perhaps because of his star status, never was shown particularly to be a bad husband. Winslet never was shown, to go with your interpretation, as being indifferent to him.
But we're discussing stuff which a well-written film shows.
RE: the book. I have little knowledge of it but, because of the abortion, it does make one wonder at the timing? Like with the timing of "Defiance," I have my suspicions that producers aren't dart-throwers.
I just think Winslet's character woefully under-drawn for the momentous act she undertook.
As he both screws around and at heart rubs his wife's nose in it by telling her with the traditional "it's over so that's alright" line along with displays of violence, what would it take for him to be seen as "bad"?
Yes, I am very indulgent!
I don't think she was "under'drawn" and abortions are something many women had and still have.
The tragedy is that she is forced into doing it to herself at home alone.
That scene sucked all the air out of the cinema when I saw it. A kind of negative generation of sound from the audience.
working steadily and providing a very nice lifestyle and helping to raise two kids, yells and hits the refrigerator a few times is "violent?" Not screaming obscenities commonly (verbal abuse), not destroying the house, not slapping, pushing, or hitting her or threatening her with physical injury.... "violent," Dave? As for the affair, that didn't seem to be very important to her, did it? After all, she said she'd never cared for him, never loved him--- she just didn't care. I believed her since it didn't seem to be something she repented of saying. That's why it wasn't a very good film. That surprise was a key to the film yet there was NO warning. The abortion seemed and the result just seemed like a melodramatic manipulation. It's a peeve of mine that Hollywood (and many popular novels) aren't content to hold the mirror up to nature, they feel a need to exaggerate it, to overly dramatize it.
Now, if the wife truly was the Bohemian she was portrayed, she would have known where an abortion was available. In those days, it wasn't very hard to find a moonlighting professional, assuming you could pay. She, obviously, had the means.
"Now, if the wife truly was the Bohemian she was portrayed, she would have known where an abortion was available."
Wow. Where I grew up Bohemians knew where to find good roast duck and dumplings and what banks gave the best return on their money but I didn't know that ole Mr. Blazek knew where to find abortions too. ;)
I thought the "thing" of the film was how the "bohemian" (if you like) spark had been snubbed out leaving her numb.
To my mind you have discounted HIM screwing the woman from work, breaking his hand hitting the car, etc, and placed too much weight on something SHE blurted out in an argument.
Isn't saying the most hurtful thing EXACTLY what people do to those they love when they fight?
Whilst I would not have been surprised if she knew where to get an abortion in the city, in the suburbs it might have been different.
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