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In Reply to: RE: "Street Thief:" makes just about any crime film you've seen before seem fake, posted by chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com on February 18, 2009 at 10:13:28
You would gladly blow someone away for burgling? What would you do to someone that killed, raped, or seriously injured a member of your family, then?
Second thought, don't answer.
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when someone is burgling his house, it is generally under the cover of darkness, and he would not wait around to find out if the burgler had a gun, and intended to use it. If you had small children in your house, while it may be noble for someone to risk their own life at the expense of a burgler who may not have a gun, I cannot see the nobility of placing a child's in harms way to satisfy pacifism. As between the burglar, who most certainly realizes the risks of his enterprise, and an innocent child, whom the parent undertook to protect when they bore the child, I'd say the child should be given the benefit of the doubt.
harm young children?
But let me speak to you from a more educated position, because I have represented burglars, and gotten to know them a little. They are generally not very smart, and often do not hide their appearance. They often carry guns, or other weapons, for while they would prefer not to be noticed, they often are, because they are moving around in unfamiliar home that are dark, and often times knock over something that makes sounds, and wakes up people who reside at the home.
So, we have a skittish burglar with a gun, outside of his comfort zone, who does not want to be identified (because, in most jurisdictions, burgling a home with a gun gets you a double digit prison sentence), and will often shoot rather than being identified, or allowing a home owner, or his or her family, from calling the police.
You also have a very nervous family, that may stumble on the burglar by sheer accident, who does not know whether the burglar is carrying a weapon. A reasonable home owner would protect the family from not only real, but very potential, harm will takes measures to protect them from that real or very potential harm, and that includes shooting to kill. I find it hard to believe that if you had a gun available to you, and there was a man inside your house for a criminal purpose, likely carrying a gun, nervous, that you would not protect your family with a gun if available, rather taking a chance that his burglar discovered you and your child before police arrived, and determined that the only way to protect his identity was to shoot you and your child.
Perhaps you would, in which case I'd say that you are potentially sacrificing your child's well being for your beliefs. Your child never had a choice. Obviously, my post never suggested that a burglar would enter a home for the sole purpose to harm a child, and you know it. A burglar WOULD harm a child if doing so furthered his enterprise. I do not own a gun, but if a burglar entered my home, and if I had the opportunity, that burglar would meet the business end of a knife or baseball bat. And that burglar would not get up. My family deserves nothing less. Apparently you feel that your's does.
burglars.
Their intention was to burgle EMPTY homes and they never carried, "heat." Their greatest fear was being caught as they exited with goods.
Now, there is a class of folks that get methed up and are total amateurs. They usually come into homes in small groups, heavily armed. For a homeowner to begin a gun battle is nuts: bullets don't discriminate children from adult. The likelihood a gunfight will favor the perp, in that situation, is high. Dirty Harry is a mythical figure.
If you are so worried about break-ins, I suggest you reinforce a bathroom, keep a cell phone in it, and school your kids to be prepared to go into it when you wake them up. That is the safest, most sane recourse. Confronting professionals that spend half their lives practicing violence isn't playing the odds. It's suicidal.
are faraway, at least forty years ago. Got news for you. Society is a little different today. So are criminals. You need to meet the new breed of burglar. They carry guns. The issue you miss is not whether the burglar is or is not carrying a firearm, the issue is whether the homeowner can take a chance that the burglar is not carrying a fire arm, and would react violently to being discovered.
You apparently prefer to take the chance. I'd not take the chance. The burglar would be stopped before he made it to my children. There is no threat of 'lead flying' because my children would be safely ensconsed in a safe place. But that burglar would not have the opportunity to move about my house on the off chance he meets my kids.
You are obviously willing to take that chance. To each his own.
"Confronting professionals that spend half their lives practicing violence isn't playing the odds. It's suicidal."
So these harmless burglers I shouldn't be blowing away are now professional at being violent?
If gangs are entering empty houses they won't get into a confrontation - at least if they've done their homework - and won't get blown away.
The amateurs are more likely to be drug addicts, of whom I have a lot of experience, and if they enter a premises they take the risk and must suffer the consequences of being confronted.
Best Regards,
Chris redmond.
"harm young children?"
So if you have kids, you know that they guy who has just entered your house in the middle of the night is a burgler and won't harm your child?
We don't have guns in the UK, but I would not hesitate to confront an intruder and cave his head in with anything I could get my hands on.
If he's 'just' a harmless burgler looking for some extra cash maybe he should have stuck to shop-lifting to fund his drug habit, but I don't think I'd be having any discussion with him to find out who he was and what his motives were.
He'd probably have a screwdriver or crow-bar with him and I doubt he'd ask me if I'd mind while he left the premises quietly.
Best Regards,
Chris redmond.
...I trust you would grab something more substantial than a teacup? :o)
If I were ever to confront an intruder in my home I am sure I would be most unkind towards said intruder.
I’m afraid I have no tolerance for criminals whatsoever. I have zero sympathy, other than for the occupant, if a burglar is killed by a confronted home occupant.
To stay on topic, I have not seen the film.
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Sox
"...I trust you would grab something more substantial than a teacup? :o)"
Well, I do have a VERY big tea cup if truth be told, but I also have a baseball bat behind the door and a few years boxing behind me. :0)
Best Regards,
Chris redmond.
...it may be generally assumed it is to do whatever it is in the mind of the housebreaker to do.As shown in "In Cold Blood", a intentional burglary can lead to escalations through no fault of the home's legal occupants.
With any possibility of wrongful harm, I vote "Smith & Wesson" - doors represent a line not to be crossed uninvited.
Edits: 02/19/09
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