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In Reply to: RE: A contrarian critical view... posted by Harmonia on March 08, 2009 at 18:29:29
ghoul would find this film entertaining. Or someone so inured to torture, gore, and human suffering and death that its glorification pleases them.
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As it is done in many movies like a movie I despise: Total Recall. This was very much a dark, dystopian movie which showed the country and heroes out of control. I too went to this movie expecting to not like it. I am not a fanboy nor even heard of Watchmen. I picked up the book and really didn't like it too much. I thought the movie was excellent and very dense. Much of the brutality comes from the source which is graphic novel stuff made into real life action much like 300 (a movie I didn't like much) made itself seem like a pornography of violence. But the violence was sporadic here and not the central thing. The story hinged on the dual events of an actual world with superheroes and the impending doom of the world.
NT
and if it is unrelentingly evil, a reviewer is lacking to not mention it. If it were a WWII film showing how the Holocaust was an unfortunate but necessary Nazi strategy, should a reviewer ignore that criminal and abominable assertion?
Or should we just turn off our brains and rate films on how wonderful the Fx are, nowadays?
You compare Watchmen to a movie that justifies the Holocaust.
I'm afraid I don't see all this horrid evil that so offends you. I don't think of myself as a "ghoul," nor do I consider the reasonably high percentage of critics that liked this movie (> 50%) to be "ghouls."
A bunch of people died. Just like the TV show 24, where people die every week. But in reality, nobody is really dead.
I thought this was minor entertainment, with a lot of flaws, but overall I enjoyed many aspects.
If character flaws in the "heroes" offend you, sorry, I found those interesting. If the final choice offends you, sorry, I thought it was the only reasonable choice under the admittedly artificial circumstances.
I walked out completely unoffended morally.
Cold blooded murder of criminals, torturing them before the execution?
Let's not be coy about this. When this novel was penned, the right was screaming about Law and Order and films like Dirty Harry and Death Wish fed a vigilanteism that repulsed less reactionary members of society.
These "heroes" aren't content to stop crime, hold criminals for police. They want to kill them, period. SPOILER
How much fun you must have had watching the heroes go into that alley, luring those gang members whom they then beat senseless, with many being killed (more than a few were viciously kicked or struck after they'd lost consciousness or were helpless after suffering paralyzing blows).
And I suppose you thrilled to the repeated meat cleaver strikes into the head of the immobilized child killer, shown in lurid graphic detail.
You may be in some sort of denial about the level and frequency of violence in the film.
Perhaps you enjoyed the fact that 7 million or so New Yorkers were vaporized, as well as the countless other millions of East coast city dwellers, in order to preemptively stop a larger possible exchange? Ah, the doctrine of preemption at its best! I especially liked the fact that those heroes left standing at the end all thought it was a pretty good idea, too.
The level of the depiction of violence, the fact that some of the worst is meted out by "heroes" and then the ultimate carnage involving millions of victims, calculated as if they were some sort of wooden chess pieces----- well, friendo, that's shocking to anyone that hasn't become a robot himself, who hasn't played so many computerized war games that they think death is some sort of electronic make believe.
This is a sick movie. Period.
This is how the world should work. This is my vision of a utopian world.
I am nothing but a murderous robot, and I love death. Preferably violent and unjustified.
I think you've gone off the deep end. It's a comic book movie. I think you should get really pissed off over something real, not a dumb fantasy movie.
Perhaps you yourself are a movie-hating ghoul/robot.
of serious discussion as any art genre.
Loaf And Death?
;-)
"The man is only half himself, the other half is his expression." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
everyone and his brother will see it.
Hell, even Ebert, who neglects to analyze the film, seemed hypnotized by it and can't wait to have the experience, again!
I'm sure a lot of wonderful people make great livings on Fx but it seems like such a dehumanization of film.
Just asking...
Sermon on the Cross is pretty good, too.
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