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So, there is evil in the world and a film that glorifies it is....

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tinear

In Reply to: RE: I guess some films just don't have simple white hat/black hat differentials posted by dave c on March 09, 2009 at 21:46:56

okay?
I'd take a different tack: it is works such as "Watchmen" that inoculate regular, sensitive people into thinking that viciousness is "human."
I guess, Dave, it all comes down to how cynical one is and whether or not one finds entertainment in a film (and if it's not entertainment, what is it? an intellectual exercsise? Please!) that glorifies violence.
You may not find it shocking that a mainstream film argues that purposefully killing millions of one's own people is a good deterrent to global war but I am more than glad to say I am.

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Glorified? What film did you watch? - Analog Scott 22:51:01 03/10/09 (5)
Watchmen doesn't glorify anything. Watchmen basically asks a few simple questions. 1. if people dressed up in costumes and fought crime in the real world what would these people be like? answer mostly psychopaths with extreme points of views be them liberal or conservative.
2. What would happen if superman were real? answer, he wouldn't be saving Lois Lane every week or fighting Lex Luther. He would have a profound socialogical and political impact. the movie doesn't glorify anything. It examines the comic book genre and mythologies from a view point that marked a revolution in comic books.
- very interesting, thank you - tunenut 20:04:49 03/11/09 (0)
  Since I never read the source material, I did not think in these terms. But as a sort of meta-comic, placing traditional comic book characters in the gritty real world, it becomes more interesting conceptually.
  
  I guess that my main problem with the plot is that it turns on the decision of Dr. Manhattan. And his final decision is based on a rather trite high school biology factoid. It just seemed to me that such an advanced being would not equate "improbable" with "miraculous."
- Get real. It has much to say about society, life, national security, and - tinear 17:27:32 03/11/09 (3)
  Humanity.
  Not particularly profound things, mind you, but it does have pretensions.
  - yes it does have a great deal of social and political comentary but - Analog Scott 22:52:22 03/11/09 (2)
    It doesn't glorify any of the things you claim it glorifies.
    - Then Leni Riefenstahl is innocent, too. nt - tinear 11:32:07 03/13/09 (1)
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      - Besides reveling in the ultra violence of the Old Boy series you also champion Quentin Tarantino. - sjb 16:27:17 03/13/09 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Then Leni Riefenstahl is innocent, too. nt posted by tinear on March 13, 2009 at 11:32:07
        
        I mean... come on!
        
        "The man is only half himself, the other half is his expression." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
I thought the point of Super "heroes" was they weren't "us" - dave c 15:03:19 03/10/09 (2)
And, remember I haven't seen the film yet, that the trashing of the veneer goodness of a self appointed elite of those who would "protect" us, but who are actually at least as vicious as the "baddies (compare Rambo), would not be seen as glorification.
Opinions vary.
- Rambo is reprehensible, as is Dirty Harry and that Bronson architect. - tinear 18:06:30 03/10/09 (1)
  It is a juvenile desire for no restraint, no rules. But, unlike the other films, this one has great pretensions of seriousness. It makes grand political points, argues the great issue of the day, nuclear armament and its use.
  - "the great issue of the day, nuclear armament and its use": maybe... - dave c 20:28:21 03/10/09 (0)
    ... if it were still the 1950s.
    But then that is possibly the time that ALL comic books/graphic novels are set in.
Agreed; enough media conditioning that unjustly rots the psyche... - mpathus 00:36:57 03/10/09 (0)
...could be the Roman coliseum for our age, and a quickening towards de-evolution.
Just as too much pepper desensitizes the palete, you become what you eat.

Edits: 03/10/09

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