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In Reply to: RE: I'm no psychiatrist, but does the (SPOILER!) justification used in the posted by tinear on January 17, 2015 at 17:12:27
peasant enemy from very, very, afar.It ain't about giving them a chance. It's about bringing every thing we have to bear to NOT give them a chance. They have the option to run away or fight. Snipers are an INTEGRAL part of the urban ground operation. Always have been and always will be. I'd imagine there are hundreds of American soldiers that are alive today who can thank Chris Kyle and thousands that can thanks his peers. As far as I'm concerned, their being alive is a good thing. N'est pas?
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Whatever happened to realizing something you did was necessary, but a necessary evil?
There is a disconnect between the character being self-effacing (in several scenes) and then writing a book.
Kind of like the guy who took out Bin Laden and then goes on a victory lap. His buddies didn't appreciate that.
We're talking about killing human beings.
Do it, okay, but don't make it seem like it's a noble undertaking.
It's the worst thing a man can do, so it had better be for a good cause.
You keep going back to...we are killing people during war...as we would ALL like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony, have a Coke and smile...
The reality of War, is killing the enemy before he kills you or your brothers in arms...
You are talking in policy issues of going to war and blaming the soldier for caring out OUR political policy...so, you expect our soldiers personal morality to trump his orders??!!?? Correct???
OT: What color is the sky in your world???
Any culture that will use Women and/or children as a deliver medium for weapons against their enemy...is banking on our compassion as a country NOT to pull the trigger...Chris Kyle knew this and did what it took to save his band of brothers...no matter how ugly that is...he saved American lives...
My Dad would ask us this question allot..."who do you want in your Foxhole???"...Well, I want Chris Kyle in mine...
Thanks
Mark
will be held accountable.
But you've put up a red herring.
I know that to go to war is to sign up to kill. A soldiers job, quite obviously, is to defeat the enemy, killing him if necessary.
Fine with that, assuming it's a justifiable war.
But this was a film about an individual. A guy who killed (unlike the examples by Road Warrior, a sniper SEES his adversary, sees him die) several hundred human beings. Who volunteered for FOUR tours of duty. Of course he was being glorified: we were told a story about how he saved his brother from bullying, under a philosophy from his Dad (that goes beyond trite, doesn't it?). His brother, a Marine, is later shown as an overwrought basket case; why was that depiction included?
I don't like being manipulated and that's exactly what this film was doing. It is propaganda, pure and simple. Kind of like "Dirty Harry" glorifying a cop that did a lot of killing, too.
But I stand by my first impression, this had a very documentary type feel about it...it did leave me with the impression I was watch FOX NEWS!!!
It handled it with a very neutral hand, IMHO...showed you multiple perspectives, without saying this is right and this is wrong...
"Fine with that, assuming it's a justifiable war", speaking of red herring...try and get people to agree with that statement??!!??
"His brother, a Marine, is later shown as an overwrought basket case; why was that depiction included?"
Thank you for mentioning that, great point...not everyone can be a trained killer...period...This bio-pic gave us a peak of the personality it takes to be a Sniper and live with yourself...look at the exchange with the psychologist...he comes up with this pat answer, that must be a type of mantra for him to live with himself..."I can stand in front of my Maker and answer for every shot I took"...he keeps repeating this to help disseminate his own internal conflict...where is the glory here...
This could have been a HUGE propaganda movie and IMHO, it is not...taking into account this is the director that spoke to an empty chair at the RNC...this was much more Unforgiven than Dirty Harry...
Thanks
Mark
aggressive, well trained, smart enemy, all good attributes when describing an adversary. The firefights had much of the feel of the almost continuous firefights in the outstanding documentary, The Hornet's Nest.
As far as tin's statement about a sniper looking at his kills, one might think that looking an adversary in the eye (so to speak) before pulling the trigger to be far more "honorable" (for lack of a better word) than a pilot pickleing a bomb from 10,000', an artilleryman firing a 155mm shell from 10 miles away, (insert other examples here). As far as who causes more collateral damage, the sniper, pilot, or artilleryman, the latter 2 tin apparently has no problem with, I think it's pretty obvious what the answer is.
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warfare isn't really about killing the enemy, it's about being able to handle the massive amount of slaughter; an infinitesimal number of soldiers ever see the person they're shooting at; they fire at "zones."
If danger is tied in with how much honor is exhibited, then I suppose it depends on what the anti-aircraft situation is for the pilot and how often snipers are under fire.
Anyhow, both are necessary.
I had a completely different take on the film's impact: I felt it very much was glorifying the guy.
A turn good adventure film, I'd have to say, nevertheless...
Was Chris Kyle ever injured in combat?
Yes. He survived three gunshot wounds, two helicopter crashes, six IED attacks and numerous surgeries
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at a service station.
Never happened.
The film never touched on drug or alcohol issues, quite strangely. Maybe he was totally clean, but that would be unusual. He sure had "issues."
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