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In Reply to: RE: I'm no psychiatrist, but does the (SPOILER!) justification used in the posted by tinear on January 17, 2015 at 17:12:27
I have a very good friend who is in the reserves, start as an Lt. 91-93 2-tours, Bosnia 2 tours, Iraq 3 tours 02-06, Afghanistan 2 tours 08-10...he is know a Lt. Col.
During that time frame, got married and had 3 kids in-between tours...He put more time on the ground than most active soldiers...he had that sense of DUTY...it was about country, but more about being "there" for his fellow soldiers...it would take him 6-12 months to really decompress...
We would golf and he would talk yardage in clicks...
My Dad was WW II 82nd Airborne paratrooper, 52 combat jumps, mostly out of gliders, aka plywood coffins, 3 days in front of the artillery to site and locate troops, artillery, bunkers, machine gun nests...he was the youngest first sergeant in army history and holds a patent on a mortar site that became standard army issue...they were ninja's...he did not talk about the war at ALL...we got a hold of one of his old army buddies and he told us many many graphic war stories...they killed more Germans with their bare hands than with guns...Paratroopers did not take prisoners...they killed EVERYONE, first thing they did was look for an SS tattoo under the left arm pit...they got a special death...
He jumped at D-day, part of those lost paratroopers in SPR, first to jump across the Rhine river at the battle of the bulge, they were part of the rescue relief a Bastogne to save the 101st Airborne that were pinned down...The Battled Bastards of Bastogne...
I believe in the day he LIKED to kill...as a 1st sergeant, he trained killers...
That 2nd child was the best scene...finally internal conflict came to the surface...he would have pulled that trigger, no doubt...would not have liked it...BUT that sense of DUTY and saving his brothers who were in emanate danger...
He did learn to like to kill, but he did also learn to fear the consequences of living with it...Combat is killing...See Patton's opening monologue...
We send kids across the world to KILL...especially those NAVY Seals...they are our specially trained KILLERS...let's no sugar coat this...the movie is celebrating OUR best ALL time killer...it does it, without glorifying it and gives us a peak at the stoic figure that pulled the trigger, he did not like the fact that he was known as the Legend, for killing...relished in the fact the young guys felt safe when he was up high protecting them...he felt he could do more, by leading them on the ground...going door to door...
The hunting scene is important to show skill at a young age...my oldest brother has the temperament when hunting where everything slows down...his breathing, heart rate, becomes hyper focused...he is an amazing shot with a rifle and has been a logger in Northern MN for 40 years...Average Joe hunters...when the time comes to shoot...heart is racing, breathing so heavy you fog your scope, you are shaking due to adrenaline coursing through your veins...very seldom do young kids have the skills to make a good shot...they make the point that Kyle did...
This was by far my favorite Cooper performance...very subtle, internally conflicted with the love hate of war, stored in a very stoic figure Tx's cowboy...
thanks
Mark
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Iraq never attacked us. Period.
Your golf friend also had quite a different situation. Snipers are different.
The guy was a sniper. Not a paratrooper. A sniper. ALL he did was kill. His presence wasn't necessary. In WWII, every man counted.
Some things in war one shouldn't glorify. Make no mistake, Kyle wrote a book. A lot of his fellows didn't like that. SEALS should be silent, not showboats.
My "friend" had the second worse job in the Military...He was MP and the first line of interrogation to determine whether the prisoners were farmers, shepherds, merchants or terrorists'...he worked with interpreters during the first process interviews...one of the reasons they liked him in that position, he could pick up foreign languages extremely quickly and his day job was a probation officer with a really good BS detector...Once he learned language, he would play dumb the first half of the interview and then do second half of the interview he would conduct in their language...
He felt his JOB or DUTY was not to put terrorists back on the street...he saved lives by making sure prisoners were friend or foe...kind of important gig...
thanks
Mark
is ultimately to glory in death, itself.
Throughout history, do we worship the Mongols, Vikings, and all military conquerors? Is bloodlust that rare that it needs to be promoted?
The US hasn't been attacked since Pearl Harbor, by a foreign military. Yet, we've pretty much non-stop engaged in wars, in our hemisphere and around the globe. Is a lack of militarism a problem, considering that?
We just ended two wars; is it time to glorify them?
The film was called, "American Sniper." Why the emphasis?
Anyhow, many folks disagree with me, I'm okay with that.
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