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Taped this off HBO and just got done watching it...I am going to TRY and keep my personal political views of Edward Snowden out of this blurb...
First you can "feel" Steven Soderbergh, (producer), presence on the shooting, look, sound and music...Syriana big time...including CIA double agents...
From the beginning to the very end shots, Snowden aged 10 years in 3 years...he has black rings under eyes that just show what he personally is going through...he gave me the sense he was amoral through it all. This was well thought out, planned methodically and exacted on his timeline...Snowden is well aware of what he is doing, he did feel it was the right thing to do, did not care about repercussions as much as getting this out there...well spoken, intelligent and removed from any real signs of emotions...Watching him react in real time as the news was breaking was interesting...When he is on different laptops through the movie...it felt to me, he had a weapon in his hands...
Glen Greenwald is tenacious as bloodhound, not very likeable and really doesn't care. The Guardian plays less of role as the movie progresses...he stays constant to follow this to the end...
William Binney, former NSA analyst until 2001...he drops bombs like a B-52 every time he is on camera, really blow your hair back kind of stuff...to the point of "how is this guy still alive?"
What did I learn...well, this pissed off the rest of WORLD more than it did us as citizens...I knew it was taking place, not to this extent, but as an US Citizen, I accepted it...there are chips in EVERYTHING that they can access...every hotel room phone is a listening device, even when hung up...(the end of the movie they are passing hand written notes)...
It is definitely worth a viewing, IMHO...I am still mulling over what I just watched...not good or bad, just sorting it all out...I paused it quite a bit to read all the text during the movie...went back and viewed some scenes several times...this goes far beyond right or left, since both are accountable for the Patriot Act. (yes, the GOP had this ready to go, just a little too quickly after 911 for my personal liking) This spans the Bush and Obama administrations, nobody is lilywhite on this issue...
I am looking forward to hearing what others think of this movie...
Thanks
Mark
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Very well done. And very chilling in what it reveals of the US Govt's. overarching grasp...
-RW-
I can tell you that the capacity and capability of our govt. to spy upon its citizens (and everyone else's!!) knows *no* bounds. I did time at The Pentagon, NASA, FBI, and The White House - among others - working at the deepest and most intimate levels with their networks.
You *cannot*, and must not, trust them to "do the right thing". They will do whatever they damn well please and there is no law or entity in place that will stop them from doing so. If they have the capability for mischief, they will use it, you can bank on that.
Be afraid, be *very* afraid...
-RW-
As for Citizen Four, he was certainly shown in a light that we (Americans) had never seen on the MSM. As for the political side (should we or should we be doing this) I think the dark haired building block shaped dude who testified at the European Parliament pretty well summed up the "we shouldn't" argument logically and passionately.
Like I said, I'm still processing. As for my wife, her motherly instincts kicked in, as she just wanted to reach out and hug that 29 year old CitizenFour when he was all alone and obviously distressed in his Mira Hotel room once the shite started hitting the fan.
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"Have you a water buffalo?"
RW...
I do appreciate any movie that makes me think and question...there is no black or white here...knowing the politics of the film makers, I was expecting a MORE heavy handed left slant...I did not get that...
I "thought" this could be a Snowden rallying cry and put him as a Liberal Icon Freedom Fighter, it did not...what it did do is show a conflicted man, who seemed he had to keep convincing himself, this was the right thing to do...I understand your wife's need to give him a hug, but he was not an over-sympatric character...
The world view of this was the meat and potatoes of this tale for me...since our Judicial System does not reach across borders...the US Intelligence Community has card blanche to basically do anything they want with impunity...call me naïve, but I did not know the extent of this policy...
IMHO, we US Citizens are not very aware of what the REST of the world is thinking...It has been driven into our heads "We are the best country in the World and they all want what we have" from as far back as I can remember...right or wrong...the term "ugly American", has been earned...
I understand why the Oscar voters liked this movie...not seeing any of the other contenders, (and I often question if ALL the voters have also), that this was a popular easy vote for them...It is well made and captures the intensity of what they are about to endeavor into...the cat and mouse aspect was real...
Greenwald, at times, was the left antitheist of "Kirt Cameron Saves Christmas"...he relished in being the face of Snowden, with his own agenda ...reminiscent, of dare I say, of Bill O's "your humble reporter"...if that is even possible...where their egos are bigger than the story...just a thought...I am going to watch this again...
Thank you for your insights...
Mark
which I don't quite understand. He said nothing. I was surprised he left his South American love nest to risk coming here.
What do you mean by that?
He has a younger man.
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