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In Reply to: RE: Just the change in title from book to film sets the tone for... posted by musetap on October 08, 2017 at 15:32:06

"Horror though? Naaa, that's Alien!"
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That scene in the dillapidated old hotel where Roy Batty is toying with Deckard who means to capture and 'retire' the leader of the replicants (Batty). But Batty is superior in every way that matters. At one point Batty, on the other side of the wall, punches through the wall, grabbing Deckard's weapon hand. He breaks Deckard's trigger finger, then puts the weapon back in his hand. Deckard doesn't have a chance. Later in that act Batty howls like a wolf, adding immensely to the horriffic atmosphere.

The horror reveals itself in the opening scene where the replicant Leon shoots officer Holden under the table during the interview session designed to identify replicants from humans.

The horror reveals itself when replicant Pris attacks Deckard. She also displays superior physical abilities but after a valiant strugle Deckard manages to shoot her with his weapon. Pris was the pleasure replicant, fwiw.

That scene where the replicants gather around Hanibal Chew, the technician specializing in the manufacture of replicant eyes. Their purpose is to find their target, Dr. Tyrell. They kill Hanibal Chew after getting from him the location of another techie that knows how to get in touch with Tyrell.

That scene with Tyrell where Batty kills Tyrell using his thumbs against Tyrell's eyes, gouging out the eyes and crushing his skull. A horriffic death for Tyrell.

Also in that Tyrell death scene Batty kills J.F. Sebastian who had led the replicants to Tyrell. This killing is especially ugly because Sebastian had just witnessed the killing of his boss, Tyrell. Loose ends being tidied up.

This movie isn't Alien, that's for sure. But Bladerunner does have horror elements within and throughout. Although the movie itself is bigger than that and explores sci-fi themes, the horror is woven into the fabric of the plot. It is sci-fi horror.

-Steve

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Those elements of horror are violence... - musetap 20:40:09 10/08/17 (6)
Graphic perhaps but not horror in the traditional sense.

If categorized as horror then I'd say some 83.6% of most Hollywood movies would qualify as horror.

You know, instead of horrible.

"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
- RE: horrific violence... nt - user510 21:47:10 10/08/17 (5)
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  - Yes... - musetap 13:02:15 10/09/17 (4)
    The Godfather is full of horrific violence yet is not a horror film.
    
    So is Forrest Gump for that matter.
    
    For 1/1000,000 of an example.
    
    "Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
    - RE: nope - user510 14:43:11 10/09/17 (3)
      If you look at it from a mile up in the atmosphere. Viewing the elements as data to be correlated, yes I take your points.
      However down on the ground, in the theater, in front of the flat screen, there is a mood to it. There is this sense of the sinister. I refrain from using the word 'evil' because these replicants are not that. They simply lack human empathy. And this is likely because they resent that humans have no empathy for them.
      For me the horror is in the setup. The atmosphere. The mood. The intentional cruelty. The lack of compassion.
      The movie isn't a monster flick like Alien. Yet the replicants are treated as monsters to be hunted down and 'retired', dispatched, killed.
      These particular replicants are wanted for their rebellious mis-deeds they had done in another star system. In the beginning it seemed like the plot would take on the form of a simple hunt. But the going gets trickier than anyone in law enforcement thought it would. We the viewer see the process through Deckard's eyes. And for him, it turns into a harrowing, horrific ordeal. I put an emphasis on horrific.
      -Steve
      
      Edits: 10/09/17 10/09/17
      - Very nice summation... - musetap 10:01:49 10/10/17 (2)
        
        In Reply to: RE: nope posted by user510 on October 09, 2017 at 14:43:11
        
        I am convinced.
        
        "Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
        
        RE: I was being stubborn - user510 13:08:57 10/10/17 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Very nice summation... posted by musetap on October 10, 2017 at 10:01:49
        
        ...and you made good points.
        
        -Steve
        
        I was being stubborn too... - musetap 22:38:15 10/12/17 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: I was being stubborn posted by user510 on October 10, 2017 at 13:08:57
        
        and you made far better points!
        
        "Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure

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