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In Reply to: RE: Not a good film, but a major, incredibly important work. posted by RGA on December 12, 2018 at 01:38:43
LOL! And all this just because I called your piece of crappy music crap? :)
Boy, payback IS a bitch! :)
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LOL - nah you like to dump on everyone elses likes and state your opinions as objective FACTS. Then you bring up a counter film that is likely to have been unseen by most people and because nobody saw it and because it is foreign you THINK you can get away with coming off as a supremely knowledgeable film expert. As if watching a lot of foreign films makes you an expert. Bwahahaha.
I know you are a second rate audio manufacturer without much in his life 46800+ posts on AA most of which seem contained to talking about movies. Odd for a *cough* "supposed" high end 2 channel audio amp maker (if Push Pull, Torroids and the bloody KT88 output tube (the inbred cousin in Deliverance of the tube world) can ever be called anything above middling.
No wonder that music was "soulless" to you - It's impossible to hear SOUL in second rate amplification.
Now that is an LOL
...to get under your super-thin skin. I think you need to grow an extra layer, because that music was indeed mindless crap. :)
See you seem to think I care if you liked the film Schindler's List or the music of Hiromi - actually that doesn't matter.You see - I was lucky because I had quality parents and education and was taught that it is generally a good idea that if I don't have something nice to say to not say anything.
For instance - a few people liked Hiromi's musicianship and then you come in with - that sucks. So what is it that you GAIN from that? Gaining friends and influencing people?
The only thing that serves is to increase your post count and to make someone else feel bad because you are insulting that person's taste in music and movies.
This requires a degree of tact and class which is missing in large sections of America these days.
The fact is Hiromi's genre of jazz will not be liked by lots of people just as Talyor Swift or Mahler won't be liked by lots of people.
The post wasn't "what do you think of Hiromi?" - if that had been the question rip away. It was a post enthusiastically recommending a musician that you decided to dump on. The same intent of the SL thread.
No. It's not my cup of tea.
versus
It's a bad movie and thus the posters in the thread who like it are fools.
See it's a passive aggressive insult. Perhaps English is not your first language.
And I say this in all seriousness but insulting people who know where to find you isn't generally the brightest of ideas. I don't say that as any sort of threat - but I have met some people on the internet and forums over the years that have threatened my life for not liking some sort of amplifier or because of some comments on politics or the military.
So I say this because while I may have a thinner skin about passive aggressive insults - you may one day say this to some whack-jobs on a forum who take things too far. It's up to you - but I am just passing on to you my direct experiences and noting that because you and I use our real names we run more risk with what we say on the internet. I have been approached at Audio Shows by people on audio forums and I am not stationary like a manufacturer or dealer.
And again you don't like Hiromi's music or think Simon Philips is a horribly untalented drummer - that's totally fine. I mean I am not Simon Philips - I think he's happy and has more money than I will ever have having been performed and recorded with a wide array of musicians including Big Jim Sullivan, Pete Townshend, Big Country, Toto, Steve Lukather and Los Lobotomys (Candyman), Jeff Beck, Whitesnake, Jack Bruce, David Gilmour, Frank Zappa,[5] Brian Eno, Duncan Browne, Toyah, Mike Oldfield, Jon Anderson, Bonnie Tyler, Trevor Rabin, Gary Moore, 10cc, Mick Jagger, PhD, Joe Satriani, Russ Ballard, Mike Rutherford, Phil Manzanera, John Wetton, flamenco guitarist Juan Martin, Asia, Stanley Clarke, Jimmy Earl, Derek Sherinian, Nik Kershaw, Gordon Giltrap, Camel, Jordan Rudess, Tears For Fears and The Who.
So like I tells people - it doesn't much matter whether any individual likes or doesn't like something. I don't like Brussels Sprouts but I can't say they are a BAD vegetable. I can say I don't like them.
This sort of jazz will never be popular with the mainstream. I get it. But heck even a moth was attracted to Hiromi @8:30
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You do make some good points. I am always suspicious of people who can only see "high art" in objects that are wrapped in the obvious garments of high art. Popular culture--particularly Hollywood--is capable of cranking out vast amounts of soulless, emotionless garbage, but amongst the dregs there is still the occasional film that celebrates writing, acting, directing, editing, music, etc.
To compartmentalise your taste for only those films that are all dressed up in art house filigree is to censor content needlessly. The joys and rewards of filmaking can be found in many different places.
The thing is though that in the west - we tend to get the cream of the crop from foreign countries - so the films that get a DVD release in the US and Canada are often the Cannes winners and nominees - we don't get the 500 films released in Poland in 2017 - we get the ten "good" ones if even that - the absolute horrific rubbish was sifted out FOR US.
Rinse and Repeat for every other country around the world - Bollywood I believe puts out more films than Hollywood - and yet how many of those films get any sort of press in the west - 5-6?
So people dump on Hollywood - yes because EVERY Hollywood film comes to our theaters and out of 20 of those movies - 1 might be considered good.
There is a difference though because films have different goals - just as music or any other form of the arts.
In the play/theater there are the 6 Aristotelian elements of the arts and much of Hollywood focuses on what Aristotle would view as the least important element - spectacle. So all these big loud marvel movies.
The mistake is dismissing them simply because "spectacle" is at the fore.
It's fine to like films that focus on character or theme etc.
And then there is subject matter - When comedy is judged against drama or horror - individuals place a hierarchy on the value that each genre possess. For years Drama was seen as more important than comedy - Shakespearea's Tragedies get more weight than his comedies. Romeo and Juliet often considered Shakespeare's worst play is the one that is taught mostly to students and usually the first play that is introduced.
Hollywood and Television through the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s was escapist entertainment - an escape from reality. Music was more thought provoking. That has been flipped - music is generally mindless background noise and television some movies are lot richer and deeper.
In the 1980s you had stuff like the Rockford Files now you have "enter your favorite Netflix/HBO" show - Broadchurch or Breaking Bad or whatever - None of that existed in the 80s.
And it's difficult to look back on even some classic films and see the acting quality in the 1950s and 1960s and the written dialog and not role my eyes - Casablanca or Citizen Kane or 8 1/2 - etc. The perspective you have at 75years old and 45 years old and 20 years old on these classics will very likely be different. It's tough to watch the stilted performances and some laughable dialog and in some cases unrelated to modern reality when watching any of these older films with a current eye.
Plays can be re-imagined and re-interpreted - film can't. No matter how great the film. And spectacle films that rely on spectacle have the least shelf life because the technology advances and the greatest special effects films of the 1940s look ridiculous now. So for those films to hold up - like Jaws - it doesn't hold up because of the stupid looking shark. In fact the fact that the shark didn't work - probably saved that film from obscurity. It still sells today and it still works today because of its dramatic elements.
I like all kinds of films and I like all kinds of music because I recognize what the intent of the genre is about. A horror movie is suppose to generate some tension and some scares - similar to why anyone gets on a roller coaster. Victor and people like him likely view amusements parks as a waste of space for the unwashed masses - dummies want to have some thrills in their life.
So it goes.
"Hollywood and Television through the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s was escapist entertainment - an escape from reality. Music was more thought provoking. That has been flipped - music is generally mindless background noise and television some movies are lot richer and deeper."Many good points in what you say, though I would soften the stress a bit on the above quote. Television has transformed recently because it has freed itself from advertising via Netflix, HBO, etc. I don't think all Hollywood films from the 1950s through the 1980s were escapist. In fact, I think some very good films were made for adult audiences. The target age for most Hollywood films today is about 16.
As for music, well, there has always been commercial garbage, but for those who search, there has always been quality performances. Not so sure anything has flipped.
I have a long-time aquaintance who likes to think of himself as an educated snob. His attitude, however, only serves to put blinders on him and limit his exposure. In the end, he doesn't even have what I would call an inquiring mind. He relies on the same tropes and conventions over and over, and snubs his noise at anything that might challenge that.
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***Popular culture--particularly Hollywood--is capable of cranking out vast amounts of soulless, emotionless garbage, but amongst the dregs there is still the occasional film that celebrates writing, acting, directing, editing, music, etc. Popular culture--particularly Hollywood--is capable of cranking out vast amounts of soulless, emotionless garbage, but amongst the dregs there is still the occasional film that celebrates writing, acting, directing, editing, music, etc.***
Like it or not, but the proportion of garbage to good work in Hollywood production has changed dramatically over the decades. Therefore, while we LOVE and watch as many good old Hollywood films as we can locate (difficult task...), I simply refuse to waste my time digging through the piles of current garbage. Life is too short. I would rather spend it watching good films.
I do read the discussions of current films here, and I sometimes follow the recommendations of those participants, whose opinions I value, but the modern pickings among the US production are incredibly slim. :)
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